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A B737 air carrier flight crew complains about an E120 air carrier flight crew's parallel approach technique of passing too close to them when intercepting their visual approach course.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 392420 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199801 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-500 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 245 flight time total : 13100 flight time type : 7100 |
| ASRS Report | 392420 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The commuter brasilia called us in sight when he was south of us and northbound. He was told to follow us and cleared for a visual approach to runway 25R. He went behind us and flew extremely close to us causing 4 TCASII RA's. When we got him in sight off our right rear, he was level with us and 100 ft away from us. He then moved to our right side, passed ahead of us and lined up for runway 25R. When he slowed to approach speed, he moved back to our 3 O'clock position which is where he was when we touched down on runway 25L. It is my opinion that the commuter pilots used the follow traffic-visual approach clearance as an excuse to fly close formation with us and they flew much too close in the process.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 ACR FLC COMPLAINS ABOUT AN E120 ACR FLC'S PARALLEL APCH TECHNIQUE OF PASSING TOO CLOSE TO THEM WHEN INTERCEPTING THEIR VISUAL APCH COURSE.
Narrative: THE COMMUTER BRASILIA CALLED US IN SIGHT WHEN HE WAS S OF US AND NBOUND. HE WAS TOLD TO FOLLOW US AND CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 25R. HE WENT BEHIND US AND FLEW EXTREMELY CLOSE TO US CAUSING 4 TCASII RA'S. WHEN WE GOT HIM IN SIGHT OFF OUR R REAR, HE WAS LEVEL WITH US AND 100 FT AWAY FROM US. HE THEN MOVED TO OUR R SIDE, PASSED AHEAD OF US AND LINED UP FOR RWY 25R. WHEN HE SLOWED TO APCH SPD, HE MOVED BACK TO OUR 3 O'CLOCK POS WHICH IS WHERE HE WAS WHEN WE TOUCHED DOWN ON RWY 25L. IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE COMMUTER PLTS USED THE FOLLOW TFC-VISUAL APCH CLRNC AS AN EXCUSE TO FLY CLOSE FORMATION WITH US AND THEY FLEW MUCH TOO CLOSE IN THE PROCESS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.