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An air carrier freighter flight crew in an large transport aircraft have a disagreement over the interpretation of a clearance so the first officer rechked with the tower controller in time to stop the aircraft from incorrectly going into position and hold.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 389000 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199712 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : las |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 389000 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were holding short, ready for takeoff, operating as an air carrier freighter. Tower was busy and cleared another aircraft on to hold. My captain pushed up the power. I wasn't at all sure they cleared us, so I queried the tower and found it was for another, similar call sign. The captain stopped. I felt our nose might have been over the line. The captain felt we were not. They then cleared us on to hold, with nothing said about it. The big lesson I re-learned was to use the readback before moving the jet!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR FREIGHTER FLC IN AN LGT ACFT HAVE A DISAGREEMENT OVER THE INTERP OF A CLRNC SO THE FO RECHKED WITH THE TWR CTLR IN TIME TO STOP THE ACFT FROM INCORRECTLY GOING INTO POS AND HOLD.
Narrative: WE WERE HOLDING SHORT, READY FOR TKOF, OPERATING AS AN ACR FREIGHTER. TWR WAS BUSY AND CLRED ANOTHER ACFT ON TO HOLD. MY CAPT PUSHED UP THE PWR. I WASN'T AT ALL SURE THEY CLRED US, SO I QUERIED THE TWR AND FOUND IT WAS FOR ANOTHER, SIMILAR CALL SIGN. THE CAPT STOPPED. I FELT OUR NOSE MIGHT HAVE BEEN OVER THE LINE. THE CAPT FELT WE WERE NOT. THEY THEN CLRED US ON TO HOLD, WITH NOTHING SAID ABOUT IT. THE BIG LESSON I RE-LEARNED WAS TO USE THE READBACK BEFORE MOVING THE JET!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.