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An air carrier DC8 freight flight crew was given an altitude restr that was not listed on their approach plate and that was impossible for them to accomplish. This was done after they questioned the purpose of a vector by the approach controller who then gave an intemperate response.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 388320 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199712 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bos |
| State Reference | MA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : bos |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-8 60 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 388320 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable other other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were on a descent vector from bos approach. The vector was not necessary as we were able to descend on a heading just outside the final approach, and cross the final fix properly configured, on course, GS and airspeed. When we questioned the controller, he became angry, stating we couldn't descend 'worth beans.' we were then given a vector for the final approach course and cleared for the approach. Subsequently, after a harassment call from ATC we were given a crossing restr not listed on the approach plate, for no apparent reason. We were approximately 15 mi from the airport at 3000 ft, well able to make our approach. To be given a non standard non published altitude restr at the last min was not necessary, but merely harassment by ATC. We missed the restr by several hundred feet.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR DC8 FREIGHT FLC WAS GIVEN AN ALT RESTR THAT WAS NOT LISTED ON THEIR APCH PLATE AND THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO ACCOMPLISH. THIS WAS DONE AFTER THEY QUESTIONED THE PURPOSE OF A VECTOR BY THE APCH CTLR WHO THEN GAVE AN INTEMPERATE RESPONSE.
Narrative: WE WERE ON A DSCNT VECTOR FROM BOS APCH. THE VECTOR WAS NOT NECESSARY AS WE WERE ABLE TO DSND ON A HEADING JUST OUTSIDE THE FINAL APCH, AND CROSS THE FINAL FIX PROPERLY CONFIGURED, ON COURSE, GS AND AIRSPD. WHEN WE QUESTIONED THE CTLR, HE BECAME ANGRY, STATING WE COULDN'T DSND 'WORTH BEANS.' WE WERE THEN GIVEN A VECTOR FOR THE FINAL APCH COURSE AND CLRED FOR THE APCH. SUBSEQUENTLY, AFTER A HARASSMENT CALL FROM ATC WE WERE GIVEN A XING RESTR NOT LISTED ON THE APCH PLATE, FOR NO APPARENT REASON. WE WERE APPROX 15 MI FROM THE ARPT AT 3000 FT, WELL ABLE TO MAKE OUR APCH. TO BE GIVEN A NON STANDARD NON PUBLISHED ALT RESTR AT THE LAST MIN WAS NOT NECESSARY, BUT MERELY HARASSMENT BY ATC. WE MISSED THE RESTR BY SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.