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An air carrier BA41 flight crew could not remember if they had been given a clearance to land. The tower apparently thought that they had given the clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 385950 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199711 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : roa |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Jetstream 41 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 5270 flight time type : 15 |
| ASRS Report | 385950 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 220 |
| ASRS Report | 386099 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Third day of IOE. First time going into a mountainous airport (on company's special airport list) with bad WX. Turbulent approach with multiple ragged cloud layers. Could see some of the mountains sticking out of clouds. Approach control cleared us for approach and frequency change to tower. IOE instructor changed radios, but was task saturated. After landing he wasn't sure if we received landing clearance. A call to the tower showed they weren't sure either, but approach and tower situation side-by-side. They felt the clearance had been given.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR BA41 FLC COULD NOT REMEMBER IF THEY HAD BEEN GIVEN A CLRNC TO LAND. THE TWR APPARENTLY THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD GIVEN THE CLRNC.
Narrative: THIRD DAY OF IOE. FIRST TIME GOING INTO A MOUNTAINOUS ARPT (ON COMPANY'S SPECIAL ARPT LIST) WITH BAD WX. TURBULENT APCH WITH MULTIPLE RAGGED CLOUD LAYERS. COULD SEE SOME OF THE MOUNTAINS STICKING OUT OF CLOUDS. APCH CTL CLRED US FOR APCH AND FREQ CHANGE TO TWR. IOE INSTRUCTOR CHANGED RADIOS, BUT WAS TASK SATURATED. AFTER LNDG HE WASN'T SURE IF WE RECEIVED LNDG CLRNC. A CALL TO THE TWR SHOWED THEY WEREN'T SURE EITHER, BUT APCH AND TWR SIT SIDE-BY-SIDE. THEY FELT THE CLRNC HAD BEEN GIVEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.