<< >> NASA ASRS Report 384885, November 1997

Air taxi cargo pilot of PA23 does not sight the hold lines until he has crossed them. Moved on so aircraft could be turned around.

Attributes
ACN	384885
Time
Date	199711
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sch
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-23 Apache (& Geronimo Apache)
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 45 flight time total : 5300 flight time type : 150
ASRS Report	384885
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : ground
Qualification	controller : non radar
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Airport
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
Airport	other physical facility

Narrative:

Taxiing to active runway for takeoff, taxiway side of hold line painted or tarred black. Hold lines faded. By the time hold lines were observed, was unable to stop before partially crossing. Stopped, continued over lines so aircraft could be turned around and returned to ground side of taxiway. Signs indicating 'hold' lines at each intersection would help preclude such incursions. Also, as lines fade, they should be repainted or use of permanent tape would help. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states that part of the problem may be that he usually flies a helicopter into this airport. Thus he does not have to worry about hold lines at the runway. In this case however, it was the lack of visible hold lines that created his problem. Taxiway B goes directly into the runway at an angle. He was anticipating some kind of runup area with hold lines and/or hold signs. None were there.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AIR TAXI CARGO PLT OF PA23 DOES NOT SIGHT THE HOLD LINES UNTIL HE HAS CROSSED THEM. MOVED ON SO ACFT COULD BE TURNED AROUND.

Narrative: TAXIING TO ACTIVE RWY FOR TKOF, TXWY SIDE OF HOLD LINE PAINTED OR TARRED BLACK. HOLD LINES FADED. BY THE TIME HOLD LINES WERE OBSERVED, WAS UNABLE TO STOP BEFORE PARTIALLY XING. STOPPED, CONTINUED OVER LINES SO ACFT COULD BE TURNED AROUND AND RETURNED TO GND SIDE OF TXWY. SIGNS INDICATING 'HOLD' LINES AT EACH INTXN WOULD HELP PRECLUDE SUCH INCURSIONS. ALSO, AS LINES FADE, THEY SHOULD BE REPAINTED OR USE OF PERMANENT TAPE WOULD HELP. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THAT PART OF THE PROB MAY BE THAT HE USUALLY FLIES A HELI INTO THIS ARPT. THUS HE DOES NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HOLD LINES AT THE RWY. IN THIS CASE HOWEVER, IT WAS THE LACK OF VISIBLE HOLD LINES THAT CREATED HIS PROB. TXWY B GOES DIRECTLY INTO THE RWY AT AN ANGLE. HE WAS ANTICIPATING SOME KIND OF RUNUP AREA WITH HOLD LINES AND/OR HOLD SIGNS. NONE WERE THERE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.