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An L1011 experienced multiple start attempts on #3 engine to avoid overtemping the engine but no log entry was made of the start problem.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 373825 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199707 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mco |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | L-1011-1 100/200/250 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 900 |
| ASRS Report | 373825 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified cockpit |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On the previous leg (atl-mco) #3 engine was difficult to start due to an RPM rollback after starter cutout. I shut the engine down to avoid an overtemp. The second start attempt was successful. Leaving mco, multiple start attempts on #3 engine were unsuccessful. After waiting 5 mins to allow the starter to cool, engines #1 and #2 throttles were advanced to provide increased starter #3 air flow, the aircraft was pointed into the wind and the start was successful. I felt that a logbook write-up was necessary so I recommended that to the captain. He initially agreed but later decided the write-up might delay the next flight. Upon arrival in atl I saw the next so and told him that my captain would verbally brief him of our difficulties starting engine #3. I am submitting this report since I feel the omission of a write-up reduced safety.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN L1011 EXPERIENCED MULTIPLE START ATTEMPTS ON #3 ENG TO AVOID OVERTEMPING THE ENG BUT NO LOG ENTRY WAS MADE OF THE START PROB.
Narrative: ON THE PREVIOUS LEG (ATL-MCO) #3 ENG WAS DIFFICULT TO START DUE TO AN RPM ROLLBACK AFTER STARTER CUTOUT. I SHUT THE ENG DOWN TO AVOID AN OVERTEMP. THE SECOND START ATTEMPT WAS SUCCESSFUL. LEAVING MCO, MULTIPLE START ATTEMPTS ON #3 ENG WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. AFTER WAITING 5 MINS TO ALLOW THE STARTER TO COOL, ENGS #1 AND #2 THROTTLES WERE ADVANCED TO PROVIDE INCREASED STARTER #3 AIR FLOW, THE ACFT WAS POINTED INTO THE WIND AND THE START WAS SUCCESSFUL. I FELT THAT A LOGBOOK WRITE-UP WAS NECESSARY SO I RECOMMENDED THAT TO THE CAPT. HE INITIALLY AGREED BUT LATER DECIDED THE WRITE-UP MIGHT DELAY THE NEXT FLT. UPON ARR IN ATL I SAW THE NEXT SO AND TOLD HIM THAT MY CAPT WOULD VERBALLY BRIEF HIM OF OUR DIFFICULTIES STARTING ENG #3. I AM SUBMITTING THIS RPT SINCE I FEEL THE OMISSION OF A WRITE-UP REDUCED SAFETY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.