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Cpr BA10 departure off smo did not turn as required. Less than standard separation between BA10 and B777 departure off lax runway 25. Reporter states the departure procedure off of smo does not ensure separation from lax runway 25 departures.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 366944 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199704 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : smo airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | BAe 125 Series 1000 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller military : 3 controller radar : 13 |
| ASRS Report | 366944 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Cpr X, a BA10, departed runway 21 at smo. Air carrier Y, a B777, departed runway 25R at lax, heading 250 degrees. Cpr X did not turn to the required 250 degree heading in time to save the loss of IFR separation between these airplanes. Cpr X ended up within 2 mi laterally, at the same altitude as air carrier Y. They both appeared to be heading 250 degrees. The IFR (noise abatement) departure procedure off of smo does not ensure separation from aircraft departing the runway 25 complex at lax. This has occurred in the past, and it is still happening over and over again. To my knowledge, this loss of IFR separation was not investigated or pursued by management. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated he thought the BA10 was the new designator for the HS125 since the company was bought out. Reporter said both aircraft were at 3000 ft. Per callback on previous report, reporter had indicated this incident was being investigated. Reporter stated he thought it was a pilot deviation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPR BA10 DEP OFF SMO DID NOT TURN AS REQUIRED. LTSS BTWN BA10 AND B777 DEP OFF LAX RWY 25. RPTR STATES THE DEP PROC OFF OF SMO DOES NOT ENSURE SEPARATION FROM LAX RWY 25 DEPS.
Narrative: CPR X, A BA10, DEPARTED RWY 21 AT SMO. ACR Y, A B777, DEPARTED RWY 25R AT LAX, HDG 250 DEGS. CPR X DID NOT TURN TO THE REQUIRED 250 DEG HDG IN TIME TO SAVE THE LOSS OF IFR SEPARATION BTWN THESE AIRPLANES. CPR X ENDED UP WITHIN 2 MI LATERALLY, AT THE SAME ALT AS ACR Y. THEY BOTH APPEARED TO BE HEADING 250 DEGS. THE IFR (NOISE ABATEMENT) DEP PROC OFF OF SMO DOES NOT ENSURE SEPARATION FROM ACFT DEPARTING THE RWY 25 COMPLEX AT LAX. THIS HAS OCCURRED IN THE PAST, AND IT IS STILL HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THIS LOSS OF IFR SEPARATION WAS NOT INVESTIGATED OR PURSUED BY MGMNT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED HE THOUGHT THE BA10 WAS THE NEW DESIGNATOR FOR THE HS125 SINCE THE COMPANY WAS BOUGHT OUT. RPTR SAID BOTH ACFT WERE AT 3000 FT. PER CALLBACK ON PREVIOUS RPT, RPTR HAD INDICATED THIS INCIDENT WAS BEING INVESTIGATED. RPTR STATED HE THOUGHT IT WAS A PLTDEV.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.