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LR24F flight crew on visual approach overflies turn to final and is vectored back by ATC. New first officer who is very nervous and behind the curve causes high workload for captain.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 363890 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199703 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : yyz |
| State Reference | ON |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : yyz tower : mry |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Learjet 24 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1300 |
| ASRS Report | 363890 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were cleared for the visual runway 24L to follow a DC9, with the added remark to keep the base turn square and 170 KTS to noah LOM. I queried my copilot (his 4TH actual flight after getting his 135 letter for sic) where noah was. He was fumbling -- very nervous. I reached over to look at the approach plate. We passed through the localizer and into the airspace for the right side. ATC immediately had us turn back to runway 24L. The B737 was held at a higher altitude until we were clear of his area. Once on the ground I called ATC approach at toronto and talked to the controller. He said they would not pursue this. My new copilot and I had a long talk. He is young and lightly experienced. This is my first experience with a new, young, green copilot. I am amazed at the workload. On departure we reviewed every aspect of the departure and routing thoroughly thus leaving no margin for error. On every leg thereafter we go through the routine and the possible scenarios for approachs at the destination airport. This has helped tremendously.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LR24F FLC ON VISUAL APCH OVERFLIES TURN TO FINAL AND IS VECTORED BACK BY ATC. NEW FO WHO IS VERY NERVOUS AND BEHIND THE CURVE CAUSES HIGH WORKLOAD FOR CAPT.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL RWY 24L TO FOLLOW A DC9, WITH THE ADDED REMARK TO KEEP THE BASE TURN SQUARE AND 170 KTS TO NOAH LOM. I QUERIED MY COPLT (HIS 4TH ACTUAL FLT AFTER GETTING HIS 135 LETTER FOR SIC) WHERE NOAH WAS. HE WAS FUMBLING -- VERY NERVOUS. I REACHED OVER TO LOOK AT THE APCH PLATE. WE PASSED THROUGH THE LOC AND INTO THE AIRSPACE FOR THE R SIDE. ATC IMMEDIATELY HAD US TURN BACK TO RWY 24L. THE B737 WAS HELD AT A HIGHER ALT UNTIL WE WERE CLR OF HIS AREA. ONCE ON THE GND I CALLED ATC APCH AT TORONTO AND TALKED TO THE CTLR. HE SAID THEY WOULD NOT PURSUE THIS. MY NEW COPLT AND I HAD A LONG TALK. HE IS YOUNG AND LIGHTLY EXPERIENCED. THIS IS MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH A NEW, YOUNG, GREEN COPLT. I AM AMAZED AT THE WORKLOAD. ON DEP WE REVIEWED EVERY ASPECT OF THE DEP AND ROUTING THOROUGHLY THUS LEAVING NO MARGIN FOR ERROR. ON EVERY LEG THEREAFTER WE GO THROUGH THE ROUTINE AND THE POSSIBLE SCENARIOS FOR APCHS AT THE DEST ARPT. THIS HAS HELPED TREMENDOUSLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.