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Reporter stated that center holding fix for which the approach facility will protect is not depicted on the display.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 346600 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199609 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : alo |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller non radar : 8 controller radar : 7 flight time total : 100 |
| ASRS Report | 346600 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | other physical facility procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Controllers at socal TRACON are required to miss ZLA's aircraft in the arnes holding pattern 10000 ft and above. However, it is not depicted on our radar maps and we must guess the location. This is extremely unsafe. We need to have this pattern and intersection depicted on our maps. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that the fix has not been added to the display map but indicated the facility is aware of the problem. Reporter is under the impression the fix will be added to a future map. Reporter stated the procedures for protecting the affected airspace are in effect, but the exact location of the fix is not clear. Reporter said he asked 5 controllers where the fix was located on the display and he was shown 5 different locations.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR STATED THAT CTR HOLDING FIX FOR WHICH THE APCH FACILITY WILL PROTECT IS NOT DEPICTED ON THE DISPLAY.
Narrative: CTLRS AT SOCAL TRACON ARE REQUIRED TO MISS ZLA'S ACFT IN THE ARNES HOLDING PATTERN 10000 FT AND ABOVE. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT DEPICTED ON OUR RADAR MAPS AND WE MUST GUESS THE LOCATION. THIS IS EXTREMELY UNSAFE. WE NEED TO HAVE THIS PATTERN AND INTXN DEPICTED ON OUR MAPS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE FIX HAS NOT BEEN ADDED TO THE DISPLAY MAP BUT INDICATED THE FACILITY IS AWARE OF THE PROB. RPTR IS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THE FIX WILL BE ADDED TO A FUTURE MAP. RPTR STATED THE PROCS FOR PROTECTING THE AFFECTED AIRSPACE ARE IN EFFECT, BUT THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE FIX IS NOT CLR. RPTR SAID HE ASKED 5 CTLRS WHERE THE FIX WAS LOCATED ON THE DISPLAY AND HE WAS SHOWN 5 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.