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|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : gso|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 10000|
msl bound upper : 10000
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : clt|
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||controller : approach|
|Qualification||controller : radar|
|Experience||controller military : 6|
controller radar : 18
controller supervisory : 2
|Anomaly||non adherence : published procedure|
other anomaly other
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : unable|
|Primary Problem||ATC Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Operational Deviation|
|ATC Facility||other physical facility|
procedure or policy : unspecified
Approximately 1 yr ago we had an airspace change that included giving clt a shelf that extended into our airspace 10 mi. This shelf includes altitudes of 10000 ft, 11000 ft, and 12000 ft. Until then, they only had 11000 ft and 12000 ft. When clt is landing north, we are required to feed them turboprops at 10000 ft. Clt admits they can't see more than 4-5 mi beyond the shelf boundary of 10000 ft. Also, one of our major e-w overflt rtes 'clips' this shelf at 10000 ft. With such a short distance to accomplish a handoff, it requires an excessive amount of concentration on this area while other things are deteriorating elsewhere. Our pps at gso has formally requested a meeting with clt to see about us regaining control of 10000 ft in the shelf area. Clt has failed to answer that request. The clt controllers admit the 10000 ft does them little if any good. If we (GS0) had control of the 10000 ft in the shelf, it would allow more time to provide the safe services our customers expect and deserve from us. Gso controllers have asked the air traffic manager to approach clt with the issue to no avail. There hasn't been a day go by since this was started that there hasn't been at least one airspace incursion. The controllers are concerned about their tickets either because of an incursion or because something else happens while they are distraction with this shelf.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A 10000 FT SHELF WITHIN RPTR'S AIRSPACE HAS BEEN DELEGATED TO AN ADJACENT FACILITY. RPTR ALLEGES AIRSPACE INCURSIONS OCCUR WHEN HDOFS ARE NOT SEEN BY THE OTHER FACILITIES UNTIL ALMOST REACHING THE BOUNDARY. RPTR CLAIMS CTLRS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR TICKETS BECAUSE OF AN INCURSION OR THAT SOMETHING ELSE WILL HAPPEN WHILE BEING DISTR WITH THE SHELF. OPDEV.
Narrative: APPROX 1 YR AGO WE HAD AN AIRSPACE CHANGE THAT INCLUDED GIVING CLT A SHELF THAT EXTENDED INTO OUR AIRSPACE 10 MI. THIS SHELF INCLUDES ALTS OF 10000 FT, 11000 FT, AND 12000 FT. UNTIL THEN, THEY ONLY HAD 11000 FT AND 12000 FT. WHEN CLT IS LNDG N, WE ARE REQUIRED TO FEED THEM TURBOPROPS AT 10000 FT. CLT ADMITS THEY CAN'T SEE MORE THAN 4-5 MI BEYOND THE SHELF BOUNDARY OF 10000 FT. ALSO, ONE OF OUR MAJOR E-W OVERFLT RTES 'CLIPS' THIS SHELF AT 10000 FT. WITH SUCH A SHORT DISTANCE TO ACCOMPLISH A HDOF, IT REQUIRES AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF CONCENTRATION ON THIS AREA WHILE OTHER THINGS ARE DETERIORATING ELSEWHERE. OUR PPS AT GSO HAS FORMALLY REQUESTED A MEETING WITH CLT TO SEE ABOUT US REGAINING CTL OF 10000 FT IN THE SHELF AREA. CLT HAS FAILED TO ANSWER THAT REQUEST. THE CLT CTLRS ADMIT THE 10000 FT DOES THEM LITTLE IF ANY GOOD. IF WE (GS0) HAD CTL OF THE 10000 FT IN THE SHELF, IT WOULD ALLOW MORE TIME TO PROVIDE THE SAFE SVCS OUR CUSTOMERS EXPECT AND DESERVE FROM US. GSO CTLRS HAVE ASKED THE AIR TFC MGR TO APCH CLT WITH THE ISSUE TO NO AVAIL. THERE HASN'T BEEN A DAY GO BY SINCE THIS WAS STARTED THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN AT LEAST ONE AIRSPACE INCURSION. THE CTLRS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR TICKETS EITHER BECAUSE OF AN INCURSION OR BECAUSE SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS WHILE THEY ARE DISTR WITH THIS SHELF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.