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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 343215 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199608 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : tpa |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | King Air C90 E90 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 343215 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 280 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 8000 |
| ASRS Report | 343216 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 700 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Tampa tower issued land and hold short clearance which I acknowledged. We were landing on runway 27 to hold short of runway 18L. Dash 8 is rarely landed with 35 degree flaps so I assumed the captain heard the lahso clearance. The king air landing on runway 18R was slowed to taxi speed and getting ready to turn off prior to the crossing runways. I did not see king air until we were already in the intersection. We were traveling too fast to stop prior to the intersection. We need a procedure to verify that both pilots acknowledge all clrncs, especially lahso. We also had a major airline first officer in the jumpseat who was listening on the speaker, but did not comment. Supplemental information from acn 343216: I did not hear clearance nor first officer's reply. Our company has no procedure for crew members xchking landing or hold short clrncs. It is assumed the other guy was listening. A beechcraft king air had landed on runway 18L and was rolling out. I had just put the nosewheel on the runway and selected beta power when I saw him, but was traveling too fast to hold short of his runway without making a very quick stop. The king air turned off at a taxiway north of our runway avoiding the conflict.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR DH8 FLC ACKNOWLEDGED A LAND-AND-HOLD-SHORT CLRNC, BUT DID NOT HONOR THEIR COMMITMENT. THE KING AIR ON THE CROSS RWY TURNED OFF EARLY AVOIDING A CONFLICT. PLT DEV.
Narrative: TAMPA TWR ISSUED LAND AND HOLD SHORT CLRNC WHICH I ACKNOWLEDGED. WE WERE LNDG ON RWY 27 TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 18L. DASH 8 IS RARELY LANDED WITH 35 DEG FLAPS SO I ASSUMED THE CAPT HEARD THE LAHSO CLRNC. THE KING AIR LNDG ON RWY 18R WAS SLOWED TO TAXI SPD AND GETTING READY TO TURN OFF PRIOR TO THE XING RWYS. I DID NOT SEE KING AIR UNTIL WE WERE ALREADY IN THE INTXN. WE WERE TRAVELING TOO FAST TO STOP PRIOR TO THE INTXN. WE NEED A PROC TO VERIFY THAT BOTH PLTS ACKNOWLEDGE ALL CLRNCS, ESPECIALLY LAHSO. WE ALSO HAD A MAJOR AIRLINE FO IN THE JUMPSEAT WHO WAS LISTENING ON THE SPEAKER, BUT DID NOT COMMENT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 343216: I DID NOT HEAR CLRNC NOR FO'S REPLY. OUR COMPANY HAS NO PROC FOR CREW MEMBERS XCHKING LNDG OR HOLD SHORT CLRNCS. IT IS ASSUMED THE OTHER GUY WAS LISTENING. A BEECHCRAFT KING AIR HAD LANDED ON RWY 18L AND WAS ROLLING OUT. I HAD JUST PUT THE NOSEWHEEL ON THE RWY AND SELECTED BETA PWR WHEN I SAW HIM, BUT WAS TRAVELING TOO FAST TO HOLD SHORT OF HIS RWY WITHOUT MAKING A VERY QUICK STOP. THE KING AIR TURNED OFF AT A TXWY N OF OUR RWY AVOIDING THE CONFLICT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.