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Questionable landing clearance. Reporter doesn't say if they did or did not have clearance to land, but they landed and apparently nothing was said. Except tower asked them their position when they called on the ground. But, at an airport like ewr that wouldn't be unusual.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 341550 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199607 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ewr |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 4300 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 341550 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Jul/xx/96, approximately XX10 am, landing runway 22L at ewr there seemed to be some confusion in obtaining a landing clearance. At approximately 1000 ft AGL I asked captain (PNF) if we were cleared to land. He said yes. I wasn't convinced and asked again at approximately 500 ft AGL. He again said 'yes, land the airplane!' the runway was clear and at no time was the safety of flight in jeopardy. We exited runway 22L and held short of runway 22R. I told tower we were holding short of runway 22R. Tower controller seemed very confused and asked 'where are you holding short?' this increased my fear that we may not have had a landing clearance. Reasons and or contributions to problem: 1) tower controller's increased workload acting as ground controller in getting traffic across runway 22R and onto and off of runway 29. 2) poor CRM on part of captain giving orders instead of working as a team.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: QUESTIONABLE LNDG CLRNC. RPTR DOESN'T SAY IF THEY DID OR DID NOT HAVE CLRNC TO LAND, BUT THEY LANDED AND APPARENTLY NOTHING WAS SAID. EXCEPT TWR ASKED THEM THEIR POS WHEN THEY CALLED ON THE GND. BUT, AT AN ARPT LIKE EWR THAT WOULDN'T BE UNUSUAL.
Narrative: JUL/XX/96, APPROX XX10 AM, LNDG RWY 22L AT EWR THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME CONFUSION IN OBTAINING A LNDG CLRNC. AT APPROX 1000 FT AGL I ASKED CAPT (PNF) IF WE WERE CLRED TO LAND. HE SAID YES. I WASN'T CONVINCED AND ASKED AGAIN AT APPROX 500 FT AGL. HE AGAIN SAID 'YES, LAND THE AIRPLANE!' THE RWY WAS CLR AND AT NO TIME WAS THE SAFETY OF FLT IN JEOPARDY. WE EXITED RWY 22L AND HELD SHORT OF RWY 22R. I TOLD TWR WE WERE HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 22R. TWR CTLR SEEMED VERY CONFUSED AND ASKED 'WHERE ARE YOU HOLDING SHORT?' THIS INCREASED MY FEAR THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD A LNDG CLRNC. REASONS AND OR CONTRIBUTIONS TO PROB: 1) TWR CTLR'S INCREASED WORKLOAD ACTING AS GND CTLR IN GETTING TFC ACROSS RWY 22R AND ONTO AND OFF OF RWY 29. 2) POOR CRM ON PART OF CAPT GIVING ORDERS INSTEAD OF WORKING AS A TEAM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.