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Instructor pilot of a piper PA28 during an IFR departure observed traffic (C210) believed to be operating VFR in IMC 100 ft above the cloud tops. Reporter suspicions that the other aircraft is the same one that was denied IFR clearance through the airspace he was operating in at the time of sighting, but was not verified.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 340930 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199607 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pao |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1600 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : oak |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C, 210D |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 2100 flight time type : 100 |
| ASRS Report | 340930 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : vfr in imc non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Heard centurion small aircraft X call for clearance through pao D airspace while awaiting release. Small aircraft X wanted clearance from san carlos to reid hillview. Pao was 800/2, small aircraft X was not cleared in. On IFR departure from pao, bay called traffic several times while we were IMC. On breaking out, observed a centurion 100 ft above cloud tops within 1 mi laterally. Definite centurion failure to maintain cloud separation, probable unauthorized IMC.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT OF A PIPER PA28 DURING AN IFR DEP OBSERVED TFC (C210) BELIEVED TO BE OPERATING VFR IN IMC 100 FT ABOVE THE CLOUD TOPS. RPTR SUSPICIONS THAT THE OTHER ACFT IS THE SAME ONE THAT WAS DENIED IFR CLRNC THROUGH THE AIRSPACE HE WAS OPERATING IN AT THE TIME OF SIGHTING, BUT WAS NOT VERIFIED.
Narrative: HEARD CENTURION SMA X CALL FOR CLRNC THROUGH PAO D AIRSPACE WHILE AWAITING RELEASE. SMA X WANTED CLRNC FROM SAN CARLOS TO REID HILLVIEW. PAO WAS 800/2, SMA X WAS NOT CLRED IN. ON IFR DEP FROM PAO, BAY CALLED TFC SEVERAL TIMES WHILE WE WERE IMC. ON BREAKING OUT, OBSERVED A CENTURION 100 FT ABOVE CLOUD TOPS WITHIN 1 MI LATERALLY. DEFINITE CENTURION FAILURE TO MAINTAIN CLOUD SEPARATION, PROBABLE UNAUTH IMC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.