DC9-50 flight crew flies clearance received from clearance delivery, but it does not agree with ZHN.

Attributes
ACN	339451
Time
Date	199606
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : koa
State Reference	HI
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zhn tower : koa
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	DC-9 50
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8200 flight time type : 2700
ASRS Report	339451
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	339603
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time none taken : unable
Consequence	faa : investigated
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Inter Facility Coordination Failure other

Narrative:

The crew in question was operating air carrier flight BBB from koa to hnl departing at XX10 local time. We received and read back our clearance as filed from koa tower just before XX00 local time. At XX00 (left) koa tower closes for the night. We departed at XX13 (left) on schedule on CTAF. When we checked in on center frequency, the controller queried us about where we got our clearance and we answered that koa tower gave it to us. On landing in hnl, we contacted cerap (hnl center) by phone and they seemed to convey that they had a new controller and some sort of new procedure that caused the communication breakdown. A couple of days later, for reasons not clear to us, cerap seems to want to implicate us. It seems to me that the problem lies with koa tower. If cerap had a problem with us 'popping up' on their screen, then koa tower should have either not given us a clearance or, at least given us one with a void time.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DC9-50 FLC FLIES CLRNC RECEIVED FROM CLRNC DELIVERY, BUT IT DOES NOT AGREE WITH ZHN.

Narrative: THE CREW IN QUESTION WAS OPERATING ACR FLT BBB FROM KOA TO HNL DEPARTING AT XX10 LCL TIME. WE RECEIVED AND READ BACK OUR CLRNC AS FILED FROM KOA TWR JUST BEFORE XX00 LCL TIME. AT XX00 (L) KOA TWR CLOSES FOR THE NIGHT. WE DEPARTED AT XX13 (L) ON SCHEDULE ON CTAF. WHEN WE CHKED IN ON CTR FREQ, THE CTLR QUERIED US ABOUT WHERE WE GOT OUR CLRNC AND WE ANSWERED THAT KOA TWR GAVE IT TO US. ON LNDG IN HNL, WE CONTACTED CERAP (HNL CTR) BY PHONE AND THEY SEEMED TO CONVEY THAT THEY HAD A NEW CTLR AND SOME SORT OF NEW PROC THAT CAUSED THE COM BREAKDOWN. A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER, FOR REASONS NOT CLR TO US, CERAP SEEMS TO WANT TO IMPLICATE US. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE PROB LIES WITH KOA TWR. IF CERAP HAD A PROB WITH US 'POPPING UP' ON THEIR SCREEN, THEN KOA TWR SHOULD HAVE EITHER NOT GIVEN US A CLRNC OR, AT LEAST GIVEN US ONE WITH A VOID TIME.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.