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ATC tested new arrival procedure. Flight crew complied with appro priate headings and altitudes. Aircraft was too high and required a circle to descend for the visual approach. Flight crew did not have any paper detailing the procedure.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 335890 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199605 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pub |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 14000 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : cos |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 335890 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Cos is testing a new arrival over pueblo, frequency 116.7, on the 349 degree radial at 10 DME to cross at 14000 ft. From there we were given the 320 degree heading and descend to 8000 ft. This put us in too close and too high, not to forget way too fast. We had been assigned 270 KTS and we slowed to 250 KTS for descent below 10000 ft. We saw the airport and received clearance for the visual to runway 35R. We had to do a 360 degree turn to the right to get down. The landing was uneventful except tower asking us to make the high speed turnoff during our rollout. We did and I asked for the phone number for the tower. We had a talk. The supervisor was not very helpful and said this is just a test run for an arrival gate at cos. I did not have any charts, distance from airport, or speeds. It was up to us to do the slowdown and get down which an S80 does not do both at the same time. I thought it could have been better and we could have had at least a message on our paperwork for a heads up.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATC TESTED NEW ARR PROC. FLC COMPLIED WITH APPRO PRIATE HDGS AND ALTS. ACFT WAS TOO HIGH AND REQUIRED A CIRCLE TO DSND FOR THE VISUAL APCH. FLC DID NOT HAVE ANY PAPER DETAILING THE PROC.
Narrative: COS IS TESTING A NEW ARR OVER PUEBLO, FREQ 116.7, ON THE 349 DEG RADIAL AT 10 DME TO CROSS AT 14000 FT. FROM THERE WE WERE GIVEN THE 320 DEG HDG AND DSND TO 8000 FT. THIS PUT US IN TOO CLOSE AND TOO HIGH, NOT TO FORGET WAY TOO FAST. WE HAD BEEN ASSIGNED 270 KTS AND WE SLOWED TO 250 KTS FOR DSCNT BELOW 10000 FT. WE SAW THE ARPT AND RECEIVED CLRNC FOR THE VISUAL TO RWY 35R. WE HAD TO DO A 360 DEG TURN TO THE R TO GET DOWN. THE LNDG WAS UNEVENTFUL EXCEPT TWR ASKING US TO MAKE THE HIGH SPD TURNOFF DURING OUR ROLLOUT. WE DID AND I ASKED FOR THE PHONE NUMBER FOR THE TWR. WE HAD A TALK. THE SUPVR WAS NOT VERY HELPFUL AND SAID THIS IS JUST A TEST RUN FOR AN ARR GATE AT COS. I DID NOT HAVE ANY CHARTS, DISTANCE FROM ARPT, OR SPDS. IT WAS UP TO US TO DO THE SLOWDOWN AND GET DOWN WHICH AN S80 DOES NOT DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. I THOUGHT IT COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER AND WE COULD HAVE HAD AT LEAST A MESSAGE ON OUR PAPERWORK FOR A HEADS UP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.