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Flight crew of an medium large transport was directed by tower controller to exit runway after being put in holding position on the runway for takeoff due to conflict with landing traffic.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 334420 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199604 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : phx |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-8 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 334420 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 50 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Phx tower cleared a B737 into position at an intersection on runway 08R and then cleared us to maintain visual on the B737 and position and hold full length. As we slowly taxied into position we were surprised to note that the B737 had not commenced its roll. Also noted was a DC8 on landing final. As we positioned behind the B737 which was just commencing its roll the tower asked the DC8 his speed. He answered 160 KTS. The long pause by the tower said it all and we were told to taxi to first right turn and exit runway. They prefaced this with the comment this isn't going to work. We expeditiously exited as directed and as we cleared I noted the very close proximity of the DC8 to our aircraft. To this point the DC8 had not been cleared to land and in fact as he passed behind us he was about 50 ft above the runway and had to ask the tower if they were cleared to land. Several passenger and deadheading flight crew members commented on the closeness of the DC8 and the possibility of a near miss.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MLG WAS DIRECTED BY TWR CTLR TO EXIT RWY AFTER BEING PUT IN HOLDING POS ON THE RWY FOR TKOF DUE TO CONFLICT WITH LNDG TFC.
Narrative: PHX TWR CLRED A B737 INTO POS AT AN INTXN ON RWY 08R AND THEN CLRED US TO MAINTAIN VISUAL ON THE B737 AND POS AND HOLD FULL LENGTH. AS WE SLOWLY TAXIED INTO POS WE WERE SURPRISED TO NOTE THAT THE B737 HAD NOT COMMENCED ITS ROLL. ALSO NOTED WAS A DC8 ON LNDG FINAL. AS WE POSITIONED BEHIND THE B737 WHICH WAS JUST COMMENCING ITS ROLL THE TWR ASKED THE DC8 HIS SPD. HE ANSWERED 160 KTS. THE LONG PAUSE BY THE TWR SAID IT ALL AND WE WERE TOLD TO TAXI TO FIRST R TURN AND EXIT RWY. THEY PREFACED THIS WITH THE COMMENT THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK. WE EXPEDITIOUSLY EXITED AS DIRECTED AND AS WE CLRED I NOTED THE VERY CLOSE PROX OF THE DC8 TO OUR ACFT. TO THIS POINT THE DC8 HAD NOT BEEN CLRED TO LAND AND IN FACT AS HE PASSED BEHIND US HE WAS ABOUT 50 FT ABOVE THE RWY AND HAD TO ASK THE TWR IF THEY WERE CLRED TO LAND. SEVERAL PAX AND DEADHEADING FLT CREW MEMBERS COMMENTED ON THE CLOSENESS OF THE DC8 AND THE POSSIBILITY OF A NEAR MISS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.