 |
37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Flight crew didn't have the latest arrival plate revision, but was in the FMC. However, the flight crew didn't want to use just the FMC for the arrival when they didn't have the plate to refer to.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 334280 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199604 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : egtt |
| State Reference | FO |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : egtt |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 334280 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We departed jfk on a 6 day trip. No commercial chart on mailbox or available that was issued apr/xx/96. On arrival to lgw discovered we did not have proper willow 1 arrival plate. Although that arrival was in the FMC, I told controller that we were unable the clearance due to crew being away from base. Without the plate it was poor professionalism to accept the clearance and get creative in the event of lost communication, FMC failure or loss of radar. The controller understood our situation but I hated to admit that our flight support was lacking. If the FMC can get a major, very applicable change weeks before issue, perhaps that office can alert/expedite those revisions that we so dearly and direly need in the cockpit.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC DIDN'T HAVE THE LATEST ARR PLATE REVISION, BUT WAS IN THE FMC. HOWEVER, THE FLC DIDN'T WANT TO USE JUST THE FMC FOR THE ARR WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PLATE TO REFER TO.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED JFK ON A 6 DAY TRIP. NO COMMERCIAL CHART ON MAILBOX OR AVAILABLE THAT WAS ISSUED APR/XX/96. ON ARR TO LGW DISCOVERED WE DID NOT HAVE PROPER WILLOW 1 ARR PLATE. ALTHOUGH THAT ARR WAS IN THE FMC, I TOLD CTLR THAT WE WERE UNABLE THE CLRNC DUE TO CREW BEING AWAY FROM BASE. WITHOUT THE PLATE IT WAS POOR PROFESSIONALISM TO ACCEPT THE CLRNC AND GET CREATIVE IN THE EVENT OF LOST COM, FMC FAILURE OR LOSS OF RADAR. THE CTLR UNDERSTOOD OUR SIT BUT I HATED TO ADMIT THAT OUR FLT SUPPORT WAS LACKING. IF THE FMC CAN GET A MAJOR, VERY APPLICABLE CHANGE WKS BEFORE ISSUE, PERHAPS THAT OFFICE CAN ALERT/EXPEDITE THOSE REVISIONS THAT WE SO DEARLY AND DIRELY NEED IN THE COCKPIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.