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Flight crew became involved in discussion just as they were crossing the VOR to enter holding and failed to enter correctly. Reporter captain says that ATC didn't say anything, but the first officer said they asked their position when they were about 4 mi still on the opposite side of the VOR.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 331270 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199603 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : buf |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 21000 msl bound upper : 21000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob tower : sdf |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 8 |
| ASRS Report | 331270 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 332491 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Given holding instruction by ZOB to hold east on 090 degree radial, 10 mi legs. The captain and first officer both got involved in fuel planning discussion, due to the fact that toronto airport closed due to electrical failure. Toronto was our destination. During this discussion we missed the turn outbound and passed the VOR to the west by 10 mi. ATC did not notice us until we were about 3 mi west of the VOR. They didn't say anything. Hopefully they were too busy. No conflict with other aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC BECAME INVOLVED IN DISCUSSION JUST AS THEY WERE XING THE VOR TO ENTER HOLDING AND FAILED TO ENTER CORRECTLY. RPTR CAPT SAYS THAT ATC DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BUT THE FO SAID THEY ASKED THEIR POS WHEN THEY WERE ABOUT 4 MI STILL ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE VOR.
Narrative: GIVEN HOLDING INSTRUCTION BY ZOB TO HOLD E ON 090 DEG RADIAL, 10 MI LEGS. THE CAPT AND FO BOTH GOT INVOLVED IN FUEL PLANNING DISCUSSION, DUE TO THE FACT THAT TORONTO ARPT CLOSED DUE TO ELECTRICAL FAILURE. TORONTO WAS OUR DEST. DURING THIS DISCUSSION WE MISSED THE TURN OUTBOUND AND PASSED THE VOR TO THE W BY 10 MI. ATC DID NOT NOTICE US UNTIL WE WERE ABOUT 3 MI W OF THE VOR. THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. HOPEFULLY THEY WERE TOO BUSY. NO CONFLICT WITH OTHER ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.