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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 321248 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199511 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : dta |
| State Reference | UT |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 14000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | arrival star : star enroute airway : slc |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 321248 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Slc has issued 3 new arrs, the jammn, bear, and carter arrs. I believe they are unsafe for 2 reasons. The large amount of information on the chart requires a great deal of 'head in the cockpit' time. Both north and south arrs on the same plate is an altitude excursion waiting to happen, and in fact has. I believe the problem arose when ATC moved their workload into the cockpit. The contributing factor is that ATC issues these plates without getting any end user input. I discovered the problem when the arrival aircraft ahead of me broke an altitude. My suggestion for a corrective action is 2 plates, 1 for north and 1 for south arrs. Plus the elimination of the many 10-20 mi segments on various VOR's during the arrival.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NEW ARRS CAUSE FLC CONFUSION.
Narrative: SLC HAS ISSUED 3 NEW ARRS, THE JAMMN, BEAR, AND CARTER ARRS. I BELIEVE THEY ARE UNSAFE FOR 2 REASONS. THE LARGE AMOUNT OF INFO ON THE CHART REQUIRES A GREAT DEAL OF 'HEAD IN THE COCKPIT' TIME. BOTH N AND S ARRS ON THE SAME PLATE IS AN ALT EXCURSION WAITING TO HAPPEN, AND IN FACT HAS. I BELIEVE THE PROB AROSE WHEN ATC MOVED THEIR WORKLOAD INTO THE COCKPIT. THE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR IS THAT ATC ISSUES THESE PLATES WITHOUT GETTING ANY END USER INPUT. I DISCOVERED THE PROB WHEN THE ARR ACFT AHEAD OF ME BROKE AN ALT. MY SUGGESTION FOR A CORRECTIVE ACTION IS 2 PLATES, 1 FOR N AND 1 FOR S ARRS. PLUS THE ELIMINATION OF THE MANY 10-20 MI SEGMENTS ON VARIOUS VOR'S DURING THE ARR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.