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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 314111 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199508 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : jfk |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : teb |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 900 |
| ASRS Report | 314111 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | oversight : supervisor |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Assigned the cedar grove visual approach for the first time. I found it extremely difficult to spot landmarks and the chart was misleading in its identify of crossing restrs. This approach needs DME fixes to properly identify crossing points. I misidented one crossing point and thus was too high at 1 point and misidented that same point. If you examine the approach they use a mall, a highway, and a factory as identing points. Get real! All new jersey is malls, factories, hwys, and believe me, they aren't particularly distinguished. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: teb supervisor stated they were having some problems with pilots being able to locate landmarks when the approach went into effect in aug/95. This problem was improved with pilot familiarity with approach. Facility is going to add a picture of landmarks to approach plate to help pilots identify them.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMT WAS HIGH ON ALT RESTR WHILE MAKING A CHARTED VISUAL APCH.
Narrative: ASSIGNED THE CEDAR GROVE VISUAL APCH FOR THE FIRST TIME. I FOUND IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO SPOT LANDMARKS AND THE CHART WAS MISLEADING IN ITS IDENT OF XING RESTRS. THIS APCH NEEDS DME FIXES TO PROPERLY IDENT XING POINTS. I MISIDENTED ONE XING POINT AND THUS WAS TOO HIGH AT 1 POINT AND MISIDENTED THAT SAME POINT. IF YOU EXAMINE THE APCH THEY USE A MALL, A HWY, AND A FACTORY AS IDENTING POINTS. GET REAL! ALL NEW JERSEY IS MALLS, FACTORIES, HWYS, AND BELIEVE ME, THEY AREN'T PARTICULARLY DISTINGUISHED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: TEB SUPVR STATED THEY WERE HAVING SOME PROBS WITH PLTS BEING ABLE TO LOCATE LANDMARKS WHEN THE APCH WENT INTO EFFECT IN AUG/95. THIS PROB WAS IMPROVED WITH PLT FAMILIARITY WITH APCH. FACILITY IS GOING TO ADD A PICTURE OF LANDMARKS TO APCH PLATE TO HELP PLTS IDENT THEM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.