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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 312300 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199507 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : als |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 37000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : second officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 2520 flight time type : 2520 |
| ASRS Report | 312300 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 310886 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 2000 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
Center gave clearance to climb from FL330 to FL370, crew understood within 4 mins. Conflict was B737 at FL350. Controller gave clearance, but did not state reason for the time constraint or location-direction of traffic. There was a frequency change during climb. New controller initially used non-standard terminology ('are you going to be level soon?') then became very anxious about our altitude -- still without calling traffic or confirming the timing. We had actually been level several seconds by the time the controller confirmed it. At least 2 level calls were made before he acknowledged. Classic breakdown in communications.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LESS THAN LEGAL SEPARATION.
Narrative: CTR GAVE CLRNC TO CLB FROM FL330 TO FL370, CREW UNDERSTOOD WITHIN 4 MINS. CONFLICT WAS B737 AT FL350. CTLR GAVE CLRNC, BUT DID NOT STATE REASON FOR THE TIME CONSTRAINT OR LOCATION-DIRECTION OF TFC. THERE WAS A FREQ CHANGE DURING CLB. NEW CTLR INITIALLY USED NON-STANDARD TERMINOLOGY ('ARE YOU GOING TO BE LEVEL SOON?') THEN BECAME VERY ANXIOUS ABOUT OUR ALT -- STILL WITHOUT CALLING TFC OR CONFIRMING THE TIMING. WE HAD ACTUALLY BEEN LEVEL SEVERAL SECONDS BY THE TIME THE CTLR CONFIRMED IT. AT LEAST 2 LEVEL CALLS WERE MADE BEFORE HE ACKNOWLEDGED. CLASSIC BREAKDOWN IN COMS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.