<< >> NASA ASRS Report 311515, July 1995

Conflict airborne less severe between a descending medium large transport and an small transport jet also descending near airport for landing.

Attributes
ACN	311515
Time
Date	199507
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ict
State Reference	KS
Altitude	msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : ict
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent other
Route In Use	approach : visual
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	other
Make Model Name	Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent other
Route In Use	approach : visual
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 260 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 260
ASRS Report	311515
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 500 vertical : 400
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

On downwind to ict descending for landing got a TCASII TA. Saw a target 200 ft above less than 1 mi (inside aircraft cross). First officer called out traffic left at 9 O'clock descending through our altitude. Turned aircraft to right. ATC surprised and called for turn but it was too late. Cessna citation descending at a high rate and airspeed crossed in front and through our altitude and continued on to ict for landing. Called ATC control on landing and was told they were as surprised as we were. They had talked to citation and he was VFR and 'saw us.' VFR test hops ought to be talking to approach control a lot sooner. After cessna passed us they called approach. 'No problem' for citation near miss and required extended pattern for us and after incident controller 'rattled' so bad he was basically substandard for us until we landed.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CONFLICT AIRBORNE LESS SEVERE BTWN A DSNDING MLG AND AN SMT JET ALSO DSNDING NEAR ARPT FOR LNDG.

Narrative: ON DOWNWIND TO ICT DSNDING FOR LNDG GOT A TCASII TA. SAW A TARGET 200 FT ABOVE LESS THAN 1 MI (INSIDE ACFT CROSS). FO CALLED OUT TFC L AT 9 O'CLOCK DSNDING THROUGH OUR ALT. TURNED ACFT TO R. ATC SURPRISED AND CALLED FOR TURN BUT IT WAS TOO LATE. CESSNA CITATION DSNDING AT A HIGH RATE AND AIRSPD CROSSED IN FRONT AND THROUGH OUR ALT AND CONTINUED ON TO ICT FOR LNDG. CALLED ATC CTL ON LNDG AND WAS TOLD THEY WERE AS SURPRISED AS WE WERE. THEY HAD TALKED TO CITATION AND HE WAS VFR AND 'SAW US.' VFR TEST HOPS OUGHT TO BE TALKING TO APCH CTL A LOT SOONER. AFTER CESSNA PASSED US THEY CALLED APCH. 'NO PROB' FOR CITATION NEAR MISS AND REQUIRED EXTENDED PATTERN FOR US AND AFTER INCIDENT CTLR 'RATTLED' SO BAD HE WAS BASICALLY SUBSTANDARD FOR US UNTIL WE LANDED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.