Aircraft flies to edge of class B airspace and has a near miss with departing air carrier flight.

Attributes
ACN	295605
Time
Date	199501
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : mzb
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : san
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Duchess 76
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	other personnel other
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 16500 flight time type : 5
ASRS Report	295605
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : private
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : exited penetrated airspace
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 100 vertical : 600

Narrative:

During conduct of a commercial flight test I was administering, the pilot departed myf and flew to the border of the class B airspace without any indication of receiving a clearance or changing course. At that point the flight test was discontinued and I issued the applicant a notice of disapproval. At the point where we were about to enter class B airspace, I noticed a commercial jet pass to our left, overhead at approximately 600 ft and 100 ft laterally. We did not have to take evasive action nor did the xx jet. After landing I asked the applicant if he had a plan to navigation to the practice area where we planned to do the necessary maneuvers for the flight test. He said that he was not familiar with VFR class B operations and that all his training had been either IFR or his instructor took care of obtaining clrncs or navigating to remain clear of TCA's class B's, etc. This pilot was a military airmen who was obtaining civilian ratings. After discussions with him on the ground it became apparent that the military puts far more emphasis on IFR operations than VFR class B operations. After this pilot received additional ground and flight instruction, his knowledge and performance was brought up to commercial pilot levels. I have also had the opportunity to discuss this matter with the recommending instructor and we both agree that additional time might be necessary for emphasis on airspace boundaries and procedures.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACFT FLIES TO EDGE OF CLASS B AIRSPACE AND HAS A NEAR MISS WITH DEPARTING ACR FLT.

Narrative: DURING CONDUCT OF A COMMERCIAL FLT TEST I WAS ADMINISTERING, THE PLT DEPARTED MYF AND FLEW TO THE BORDER OF THE CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT ANY INDICATION OF RECEIVING A CLRNC OR CHANGING COURSE. AT THAT POINT THE FLT TEST WAS DISCONTINUED AND I ISSUED THE APPLICANT A NOTICE OF DISAPPROVAL. AT THE POINT WHERE WE WERE ABOUT TO ENTER CLASS B AIRSPACE, I NOTICED A COMMERCIAL JET PASS TO OUR L, OVERHEAD AT APPROX 600 FT AND 100 FT LATERALLY. WE DID NOT HAVE TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION NOR DID THE XX JET. AFTER LNDG I ASKED THE APPLICANT IF HE HAD A PLAN TO NAV TO THE PRACTICE AREA WHERE WE PLANNED TO DO THE NECESSARY MANEUVERS FOR THE FLT TEST. HE SAID THAT HE WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH VFR CLASS B OPS AND THAT ALL HIS TRAINING HAD BEEN EITHER IFR OR HIS INSTRUCTOR TOOK CARE OF OBTAINING CLRNCS OR NAVING TO REMAIN CLR OF TCA'S CLASS B'S, ETC. THIS PLT WAS A MIL AIRMEN WHO WAS OBTAINING CIVILIAN RATINGS. AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM ON THE GND IT BECAME APPARENT THAT THE MIL PUTS FAR MORE EMPHASIS ON IFR OPS THAN VFR CLASS B OPS. AFTER THIS PLT RECEIVED ADDITIONAL GND AND FLT INSTRUCTION, HIS KNOWLEDGE AND PERFORMANCE WAS BROUGHT UP TO COMMERCIAL PLT LEVELS. I HAVE ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER WITH THE RECOMMENDING INSTRUCTOR AND WE BOTH AGREE THAT ADDITIONAL TIME MIGHT BE NECESSARY FOR EMPHASIS ON AIRSPACE BOUNDARIES AND PROCS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.