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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 295184 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199501 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : rdu |
| State Reference | NC |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : rdu |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6350 flight time type : 1100 |
| ASRS Report | 295184 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
When we were approaching raleigh the WX visibility was 1/2 mi. The ATIS reported the rails were out for runway 23L. After I asked for runway 23L the copilot informed me the RAIL was out. At the same time the controller reported it also. I then requested runway 23R. I find that the information in the government charts is not very easy to find when a person is not familiar with the format. The visibility penalty is inside the front cover. The private company charts show this information right on the approach plate. I would suggest the government charts go to this format.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CHART FORMAT PROB. AERO CHART PRESENTATION COMMERCIAL NOAA.
Narrative: WHEN WE WERE APCHING RALEIGH THE WX VISIBILITY WAS 1/2 MI. THE ATIS RPTED THE RAILS WERE OUT FOR RWY 23L. AFTER I ASKED FOR RWY 23L THE COPLT INFORMED ME THE RAIL WAS OUT. AT THE SAME TIME THE CTLR RPTED IT ALSO. I THEN REQUESTED RWY 23R. I FIND THAT THE INFO IN THE GOV CHARTS IS NOT VERY EASY TO FIND WHEN A PERSON IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE FORMAT. THE VISIBILITY PENALTY IS INSIDE THE FRONT COVER. THE PVT COMPANY CHARTS SHOW THIS INFO RIGHT ON THE APCH PLATE. I WOULD SUGGEST THE GOV CHARTS GO TO THIS FORMAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.