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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 293792 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199501 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : bjc |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6500 msl bound upper : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bjc |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Christen (& Pitts) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| ASRS Report | 293792 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
There are several high performance/aerobatic type aircraft -- pitts, skybolts, that routinely depart jeffco without their xponders on. They routinely climb above our class D airspace and into the denver TCA. They fly at 5 mi wnw to a place just outside the class D airspace, and then practice aerobatics at altitudes ranging from 6500 ft to 1000 ft MSL. The place they routinely go (marshall lake) is in the vicinity of a 5 mi, straight-in final to runway 11L at jeffco. This happens every wkend (WX permitting) and involves several aircraft. It's a dangerous violation of airspace in both when they depart the air traffic area (class D) and when they practice aerobatics on a 5 mi final to jeffco's runway 11L. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter informed that flight within 30 mi of the primary airport of class B airspace requires a transponder with mode C and that it has to be turned on. Far 30 mi veil of a TCA covers this. Aerobatic flight outside class D and B airspace comes under the see and avoid concept.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA X FLT WITHIN 30 MI OF CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT XPONDER MODE C. VIOLATION OF 30 MI VEIL RULE OF FARS.
Narrative: THERE ARE SEVERAL HIGH PERFORMANCE/AEROBATIC TYPE ACFT -- PITTS, SKYBOLTS, THAT ROUTINELY DEPART JEFFCO WITHOUT THEIR XPONDERS ON. THEY ROUTINELY CLB ABOVE OUR CLASS D AIRSPACE AND INTO THE DENVER TCA. THEY FLY AT 5 MI WNW TO A PLACE JUST OUTSIDE THE CLASS D AIRSPACE, AND THEN PRACTICE AEROBATICS AT ALTS RANGING FROM 6500 FT TO 1000 FT MSL. THE PLACE THEY ROUTINELY GO (MARSHALL LAKE) IS IN THE VICINITY OF A 5 MI, STRAIGHT-IN FINAL TO RWY 11L AT JEFFCO. THIS HAPPENS EVERY WKEND (WX PERMITTING) AND INVOLVES SEVERAL ACFT. IT'S A DANGEROUS VIOLATION OF AIRSPACE IN BOTH WHEN THEY DEPART THE ATA (CLASS D) AND WHEN THEY PRACTICE AEROBATICS ON A 5 MI FINAL TO JEFFCO'S RWY 11L. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR INFORMED THAT FLT WITHIN 30 MI OF THE PRIMARY ARPT OF CLASS B AIRSPACE REQUIRES A XPONDER WITH MODE C AND THAT IT HAS TO BE TURNED ON. FAR 30 MI VEIL OF A TCA COVERS THIS. AEROBATIC FLT OUTSIDE CLASS D AND B AIRSPACE COMES UNDER THE SEE AND AVOID CONCEPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.