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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 288946 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199411 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ntd airport : sba |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ntd |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | controller military : 4 controller radar : 6 flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 |
| ASRS Report | 288946 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified cockpit |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
When WX balloons are launched, magu approach makes a broadcast in the blind. Commuter flts such as mine may not have checked in: ie, still with socal or sba approach. However, at 250 KTS we may still arrive in the vicinity of the balloon without any knowledge of it. I was recently behind a commuter that had a near-hit with 1 of these balloons. I asked for a vector away from the area. The controller said that he had no way of knowing wind drift. I understand this but on most days with winds from the west magu approach could either 'take a stabilizer' at it or put out a NOTAM that gives the exact launch location so that I can deviate on my own. I have notified my company of this problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE COMMUTER PLT RPTS UNSUCCESSFUL ATTEMPT TO ASSURE SEPARATION FROM KNOWN WX BALLOON.
Narrative: WHEN WX BALLOONS ARE LAUNCHED, MAGU APCH MAKES A BROADCAST IN THE BLIND. COMMUTER FLTS SUCH AS MINE MAY NOT HAVE CHKED IN: IE, STILL WITH SOCAL OR SBA APCH. HOWEVER, AT 250 KTS WE MAY STILL ARRIVE IN THE VICINITY OF THE BALLOON WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE OF IT. I WAS RECENTLY BEHIND A COMMUTER THAT HAD A NEAR-HIT WITH 1 OF THESE BALLOONS. I ASKED FOR A VECTOR AWAY FROM THE AREA. THE CTLR SAID THAT HE HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING WIND DRIFT. I UNDERSTAND THIS BUT ON MOST DAYS WITH WINDS FROM THE W MAGU APCH COULD EITHER 'TAKE A STAB' AT IT OR PUT OUT A NOTAM THAT GIVES THE EXACT LAUNCH LOCATION SO THAT I CAN DEVIATE ON MY OWN. I HAVE NOTIFIED MY COMPANY OF THIS PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.