Late TA. - NASA ASRS

Attributes
ACN	286360
Time
Date	199410
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : sgf
State Reference	MO
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 3500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sgf tower : sgf
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	climbout : initial
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	other : unknown
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 840
ASRS Report	286360
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 1500 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

This is the 2ND ASRS I've written this yr (within 3 months) for exactly this same reason! This is twice I've had a near miss on departure from sgf, runway 20, in the left turn from initial 140 degrees assigned to a northerly heading to join on course. What are these controllers doing? Our departure is the same for stl 6 times (at least) per day. Aren't the tower controllers talking to departure? Why have I been launched twice like this to come into an evasive near miss situation?! What is sgf facility doing? Today we were launched, as usual, initial 140 degree heading handed to departure. Departure issues left to 040 degree climb 13000 ft and join trake arrival. In the turn controller asks,' are you in the turn to 040 degrees?' simultaneously we get a TCASII alert (TA only with RA disabled below 1500 ft AGL) for 1 O'clock traffic which the controller is just now pointing out!

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LATE TA.

Narrative: THIS IS THE 2ND ASRS I'VE WRITTEN THIS YR (WITHIN 3 MONTHS) FOR EXACTLY THIS SAME REASON! THIS IS TWICE I'VE HAD A NEAR MISS ON DEP FROM SGF, RWY 20, IN THE L TURN FROM INITIAL 140 DEGS ASSIGNED TO A NORTHERLY HDG TO JOIN ON COURSE. WHAT ARE THESE CTLRS DOING? OUR DEP IS THE SAME FOR STL 6 TIMES (AT LEAST) PER DAY. AREN'T THE TWR CTLRS TALKING TO DEP? WHY HAVE I BEEN LAUNCHED TWICE LIKE THIS TO COME INTO AN EVASIVE NEAR MISS SIT?! WHAT IS SGF FACILITY DOING? TODAY WE WERE LAUNCHED, AS USUAL, INITIAL 140 DEG HDG HANDED TO DEP. DEP ISSUES LEFT TO 040 DEG CLB 13000 FT AND JOIN TRAKE ARR. IN THE TURN CTLR ASKS,' ARE YOU IN THE TURN TO 040 DEGS?' SIMULTANEOUSLY WE GET A TCASII ALERT (TA ONLY WITH RA DISABLED BELOW 1500 FT AGL) FOR 1 O'CLOCK TFC WHICH THE CTLR IS JUST NOW POINTING OUT!

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.