Air carrier B-727 departs gate exceeding maximum takeoff weight, aircraft structural limits.

Attributes
ACN	280903
Time
Date	199408
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dfw
State Reference	TX
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : preflight ground other : taxi other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	280903
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Airport
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Flight aug/xx/94 dfw lga scheduled departure time XA41L. Release fuel 49.8 -- actual fob 50.2. Flight planned at maximum takeoff gross weight structural -- 178000 pounds. At about XA55L agent had passenger on board and we received load closeout with tow of 176811 with 124 passenger that included 8 children. Agent wanted to remove 2 passenger and when I asked why he said load wanted them off. I said the closeout showed an almost 1200 pound spread between actual weight and allowable tow. Agent was concerned about delay and I said we were ok and he could close the door. We departed gate at XB01L and taxied to runway 35L. An ACARS message was received saying we were over maximum ramp weight and to return to gate. We counted actual pob at 132 with 1 lap child. We returned to gate at XX35L. Agent took off 11 passenger. Maintenance performed an overweight taxi inspection. We refueled and departed the gate at XX17L. New closeout tow 177018 with 123 passenger and no children. How is it possible the original closeout was so far off?

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR B-727 DEPARTS GATE EXCEEDING MAX TKOF WT, ACFT STRUCTURAL LIMITS.

Narrative: FLT AUG/XX/94 DFW LGA SCHEDULED DEP TIME XA41L. RELEASE FUEL 49.8 -- ACTUAL FOB 50.2. FLT PLANNED AT MAX TKOF GROSS WT STRUCTURAL -- 178000 LBS. AT ABOUT XA55L AGENT HAD PAX ON BOARD AND WE RECEIVED LOAD CLOSEOUT WITH TOW OF 176811 WITH 124 PAX THAT INCLUDED 8 CHILDREN. AGENT WANTED TO REMOVE 2 PAX AND WHEN I ASKED WHY HE SAID LOAD WANTED THEM OFF. I SAID THE CLOSEOUT SHOWED AN ALMOST 1200 LB SPREAD BTWN ACTUAL WT AND ALLOWABLE TOW. AGENT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT DELAY AND I SAID WE WERE OK AND HE COULD CLOSE THE DOOR. WE DEPARTED GATE AT XB01L AND TAXIED TO RWY 35L. AN ACARS MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED SAYING WE WERE OVER MAX RAMP WT AND TO RETURN TO GATE. WE COUNTED ACTUAL POB AT 132 WITH 1 LAP CHILD. WE RETURNED TO GATE AT XX35L. AGENT TOOK OFF 11 PAX. MAINT PERFORMED AN OVERWT TAXI INSPECTION. WE REFUELED AND DEPARTED THE GATE AT XX17L. NEW CLOSEOUT TOW 177018 WITH 123 PAX AND NO CHILDREN. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THE ORIGINAL CLOSEOUT WAS SO FAR OFF?

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.