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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 270421 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199404 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 12500 msl bound upper : 12510 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : ord |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 1090 flight time type : 20 |
| ASRS Report | 270421 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flying northwest bound san diego (myf) to san luis obispo (sbp) over class B (TCA) lax VFR on top, clouds at 1500 ft, tops 2600 ft. Used flight following san diego approach, coast approach, la approach going north intended to fly over class B at 12500 ft (which is also the top ceiling of controled airspace). I thought airspace was up to 'but not including' 12500 ft for class B, lax. When controller questioned my intentions for route of flight I stated 12500 ft would be my altitude. 'Above class B' no further problem over TCA. However, I did stay slightly higher, 12510 ft to be sure on top until I checked rule. I spoke to san diego approach TRACON supervisor later to clarify must be 12501.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMT PLT IN CLOSE PROX TO TCA-B AIRSPACE IN LAX VFR CORRIDOR.
Narrative: FLYING NW BOUND SAN DIEGO (MYF) TO SAN LUIS OBISPO (SBP) OVER CLASS B (TCA) LAX VFR ON TOP, CLOUDS AT 1500 FT, TOPS 2600 FT. USED FLT FOLLOWING SAN DIEGO APCH, COAST APCH, LA APCH GOING N INTENDED TO FLY OVER CLASS B AT 12500 FT (WHICH IS ALSO THE TOP CEILING OF CTLED AIRSPACE). I THOUGHT AIRSPACE WAS UP TO 'BUT NOT INCLUDING' 12500 FT FOR CLASS B, LAX. WHEN CTLR QUESTIONED MY INTENTIONS FOR RTE OF FLT I STATED 12500 FT WOULD BE MY ALT. 'ABOVE CLASS B' NO FURTHER PROB OVER TCA. HOWEVER, I DID STAY SLIGHTLY HIGHER, 12510 FT TO BE SURE ON TOP UNTIL I CHKED RULE. I SPOKE TO SAN DIEGO APCH TRACON SUPVR LATER TO CLARIFY MUST BE 12501.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.