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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 261193 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199401 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 1300 agl bound upper : 1300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B747-400 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 975 |
| ASRS Report | 261193 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter other other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Aircraft |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Lax runway heading 25R shortly after takeoff, and following heavily loaded standard 747, we encountered heavy wake turbulence which mandated immediate evasive maneuver to avoid. I believe we were properly separated by lax tower, 5-6 mi. What is most interesting here is that the wake created a most disturbing lack of control at a most critical time in departure and, of course, it was invisible. I feel that a smaller aircraft than our 747-400 would have been subjected to far less ctlability. I ask that this data be recorded as potential loss of control. Perhaps our current separation is inadequate. Wind on takeoff was approximately 300/9 for our 25R departure runway. A night takeoff would have introduced 1 more negative element to this encounter.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A VERY HVY WDB ACFT EXPERIENCED WAKE TURB BEHIND ANOTHER VERY HVY WDB ACFT ON INITIAL CLB.
Narrative: LAX RWY HDG 25R SHORTLY AFTER TKOF, AND FOLLOWING HEAVILY LOADED STANDARD 747, WE ENCOUNTERED HVY WAKE TURB WHICH MANDATED IMMEDIATE EVASIVE MANEUVER TO AVOID. I BELIEVE WE WERE PROPERLY SEPARATED BY LAX TWR, 5-6 MI. WHAT IS MOST INTERESTING HERE IS THAT THE WAKE CREATED A MOST DISTURBING LACK OF CTL AT A MOST CRITICAL TIME IN DEP AND, OF COURSE, IT WAS INVISIBLE. I FEEL THAT A SMALLER ACFT THAN OUR 747-400 WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO FAR LESS CTLABILITY. I ASK THAT THIS DATA BE RECORDED AS POTENTIAL LOSS OF CTL. PERHAPS OUR CURRENT SEPARATION IS INADEQUATE. WIND ON TKOF WAS APPROX 300/9 FOR OUR 25R DEP RWY. A NIGHT TKOF WOULD HAVE INTRODUCED 1 MORE NEGATIVE ELEMENT TO THIS ENCOUNTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.