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Military X unauthorized penetration of MOA had less than standard separation from fgts. Pilot deviation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 251806 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199309 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sln |
| State Reference | KS |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 20000 msl bound upper : 20000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Military Transport |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Fighter |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : military |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1800 |
| ASRS Report | 251806 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : military |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At FL200 above ada east MOA we military X saw fgt's engaged and using defensive weapons (flares) at our 2 O'clock position at what appeared to be our altitude. The MOA goes up to FL180. We advised ARTCC and they gave us an immediate turn and said that we penetrated an active MOA and that they had tried to contact us several times. The radios were busy and the controller was using multiple frequencys. In the cockpit were 3 pilots and a flight engineer. None of us heard any such xmissions. We were advised that a deviation is filed. I suspect that there are xmissions tower dead spots in that area because after a frequency change to the high sector, I attempted contact with the previous controller with poor reception. I asked for his UHF frequency and got no response on UHF. My aircraft had no reception problems for the entire 2 day trip. We were advised that we penetrated the MOA. The incident with the fgt's occurred 2000 ft above the MOA. I feel that controller workload and the use of multiple ATC frequencys are a contributor. From the cockpit, it seemed to be a normal departure and climb. The frequency was ZKC 134.9 VHF. The UHF frequency that I got no response from was 363.2.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MIL X UNAUTH PENETRATION OF MOA HAD LTSS FROM FGTS. PLTDEV.
Narrative: AT FL200 ABOVE ADA E MOA WE MIL X SAW FGT'S ENGAGED AND USING DEFENSIVE WEAPONS (FLARES) AT OUR 2 O'CLOCK POS AT WHAT APPEARED TO BE OUR ALT. THE MOA GOES UP TO FL180. WE ADVISED ARTCC AND THEY GAVE US AN IMMEDIATE TURN AND SAID THAT WE PENETRATED AN ACTIVE MOA AND THAT THEY HAD TRIED TO CONTACT US SEVERAL TIMES. THE RADIOS WERE BUSY AND THE CTLR WAS USING MULTIPLE FREQS. IN THE COCKPIT WERE 3 PLTS AND A FE. NONE OF US HEARD ANY SUCH XMISSIONS. WE WERE ADVISED THAT A DEV IS FILED. I SUSPECT THAT THERE ARE XMISSIONS TWR DEAD SPOTS IN THAT AREA BECAUSE AFTER A FREQ CHANGE TO THE HIGH SECTOR, I ATTEMPTED CONTACT WITH THE PREVIOUS CTLR WITH POOR RECEPTION. I ASKED FOR HIS UHF FREQ AND GOT NO RESPONSE ON UHF. MY ACFT HAD NO RECEPTION PROBS FOR THE ENTIRE 2 DAY TRIP. WE WERE ADVISED THAT WE PENETRATED THE MOA. THE INCIDENT WITH THE FGT'S OCCURRED 2000 FT ABOVE THE MOA. I FEEL THAT CTLR WORKLOAD AND THE USE OF MULTIPLE ATC FREQS ARE A CONTRIBUTOR. FROM THE COCKPIT, IT SEEMED TO BE A NORMAL DEP AND CLB. THE FREQ WAS ZKC 134.9 VHF. THE UHF FREQ THAT I GOT NO RESPONSE FROM WAS 363.2.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.