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Medium large transport climbing out of tpa exceeded 250 KTS prematurely when flight crew overlooked the speed limit posted on the SID page.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 246623 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199307 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : tpa |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 8400 flight time type : 4700 |
| ASRS Report | 246623 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 490 |
| ASRS Report | 248903 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During climb out from tampa, after passing through 10000 ft MSL on the tampa 2 departure, we started to accelerate from 250 KTS to a faster airspeed. Simultaneously we were switched from tampa departure control to ZJX. At contact, we were instructed to resume normal speed at 17000 ft MSL on the climb. We told ZJX we weren't given a restr airspeed and did they want us to slow down. ZJX stated that there was no problem, but that the 250 KT restriction was on the departure plate. We slowed from 260 KTS accelerating back to 250 KTS and continued the climb. After reviewing the departure plate, we found that there was indeed a note on the plate specifying that turbojets on northerly departures should not exceed 250 KTS until advised by ATC. When speaking with a quality assurance supervisor at ZJX later in the day, he stated that the procedure was changed 6 months ago and that numerous aircraft miss the 250 KT restriction. When asked what would help aircraft avoid this mistake, I stated the clearance delivery at tampa should give the 250 KT restriction to us. He stated that ZJX had asked them to but that tampa has declined. Additionally, it was determined that this was an ATC instruction in a note. It would be better to put it on the departure instruction on the same page. Also, departure control should instruct aircraft to not exceed 250 KTS until further advised.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG CLBING OUT OF TPA EXCEEDED 250 KTS PREMATURELY WHEN FLC OVERLOOKED THE SPD LIMIT POSTED ON THE SID PAGE.
Narrative: DURING CLBOUT FROM TAMPA, AFTER PASSING THROUGH 10000 FT MSL ON THE TAMPA 2 DEP, WE STARTED TO ACCELERATE FROM 250 KTS TO A FASTER AIRSPD. SIMULTANEOUSLY WE WERE SWITCHED FROM TAMPA DEP CTL TO ZJX. AT CONTACT, WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO RESUME NORMAL SPD AT 17000 FT MSL ON THE CLB. WE TOLD ZJX WE WEREN'T GIVEN A RESTR AIRSPD AND DID THEY WANT US TO SLOW DOWN. ZJX STATED THAT THERE WAS NO PROB, BUT THAT THE 250 KT RESTRICTION WAS ON THE DEP PLATE. WE SLOWED FROM 260 KTS ACCELERATING BACK TO 250 KTS AND CONTINUED THE CLB. AFTER REVIEWING THE DEP PLATE, WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS INDEED A NOTE ON THE PLATE SPECIFYING THAT TURBOJETS ON NORTHERLY DEPS SHOULD NOT EXCEED 250 KTS UNTIL ADVISED BY ATC. WHEN SPEAKING WITH A QUALITY ASSURANCE SUPVR AT ZJX LATER IN THE DAY, HE STATED THAT THE PROC WAS CHANGED 6 MONTHS AGO AND THAT NUMEROUS ACFT MISS THE 250 KT RESTRICTION. WHEN ASKED WHAT WOULD HELP ACFT AVOID THIS MISTAKE, I STATED THE CLRNC DELIVERY AT TAMPA SHOULD GIVE THE 250 KT RESTRICTION TO US. HE STATED THAT ZJX HAD ASKED THEM TO BUT THAT TAMPA HAS DECLINED. ADDITIONALLY, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THIS WAS AN ATC INSTRUCTION IN A NOTE. IT WOULD BE BETTER TO PUT IT ON THE DEP INSTRUCTION ON THE SAME PAGE. ALSO, DEP CTL SHOULD INSTRUCT ACFT TO NOT EXCEED 250 KTS UNTIL FURTHER ADVISED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.