Mdt has near midair collision with military fgts.

Attributes
ACN	231377
Time
Date	199301
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : rdu
State Reference	NC
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 12000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zdc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Transport
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	other
Make Model Name	Fighter
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	cruise other cruise other
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 400
ASRS Report	231377
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : nmac other anomaly other
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 0 vertical : 300
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Had to pull up to avoid 2 military fgts. Fgts were opposite direction at 10500 ft. Ctrs called traffic at 12 O'clock, 8 mi. We had a visual at about 4 mi off to our right. At about 1 mi, the 2 fgts turned into us and climbed. The TCASII called for a 2000 FPM climb, which we did do immediately, and climbed to 12000 ft. We informed ZDC as to what we did. Their response was, sorry I couldn't climb you, but I had a heavy mlt too close above you. Then the controller said, since you are there, climb to 15000 ft, sorry I couldn't climb you sooner. We reported the altitude deviation as a TCASII response. The controller said no problem. I don't think center was talking to the fgts. There was not anything myself or my crew could have done. We were at our assigned altitude of 11000 ft. The 2 military aircraft turned into us. We did what the TCASII advised us to do. We had a near miss. I think the controller should have advised us sooner and turned or climbed us. If we had the fgts visually I'm sure they had us or they might not have had us if they were VFR.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MDT HAS NMAC WITH MIL FGTS.

Narrative: HAD TO PULL UP TO AVOID 2 MIL FGTS. FGTS WERE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AT 10500 FT. CTRS CALLED TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK, 8 MI. WE HAD A VISUAL AT ABOUT 4 MI OFF TO OUR R. AT ABOUT 1 MI, THE 2 FGTS TURNED INTO US AND CLBED. THE TCASII CALLED FOR A 2000 FPM CLB, WHICH WE DID DO IMMEDIATELY, AND CLBED TO 12000 FT. WE INFORMED ZDC AS TO WHAT WE DID. THEIR RESPONSE WAS, SORRY I COULDN'T CLB YOU, BUT I HAD A HVY MLT TOO CLOSE ABOVE YOU. THEN THE CTLR SAID, SINCE YOU ARE THERE, CLB TO 15000 FT, SORRY I COULDN'T CLB YOU SOONER. WE RPTED THE ALTDEV AS A TCASII RESPONSE. THE CTLR SAID NO PROB. I DON'T THINK CTR WAS TALKING TO THE FGTS. THERE WAS NOT ANYTHING MYSELF OR MY CREW COULD HAVE DONE. WE WERE AT OUR ASSIGNED ALT OF 11000 FT. THE 2 MIL ACFT TURNED INTO US. WE DID WHAT THE TCASII ADVISED US TO DO. WE HAD A NEAR MISS. I THINK THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE ADVISED US SOONER AND TURNED OR CLBED US. IF WE HAD THE FGTS VISUALLY I'M SURE THEY HAD US OR THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD US IF THEY WERE VFR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.