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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 227763 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199211 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : col airport : jfk |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 3 |
| ASRS Report | 227763 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 11000 vertical : 100 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Air carrier X was sebound on col 350 degree radial. Air carrier Y was wbound direct to rbv VOR. I informed air carrier X and air carrier Y of each other. Both aircraft had the other in sight. I advised air carrier X that air carrier Y would pass behind him. Air carrier Y appeared to adjust his heading for rbv. Both aircraft had TCASII. As air carrier Y got closer to air carrier X, air carrier X stated to have an RA to descent. Air carrier Y stated he had the same signal. Both were climbing out of 13000 ft for 17000 ft. Later, air carrier X stated he had an RA to descend, followed by an RA to climb. Air carrier Y stated he had an RA to climb followed by an RA to descend. Neither aircraft appeared to follow their RA's. I could have saved myself a lot of trouble by telling air carrier Y to maintain visual with air carrier X, but I believe that TCASII contributed to the operational error. TCASII stage ii is causing a lot of problems in the new york area. I can't wait to see tcasiii, that should be fun!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CTLR HAD LTSS WITH 2 ACR'S IN CLB. BLAMES TCASII.
Narrative: ACR X WAS SEBOUND ON COL 350 DEG RADIAL. ACR Y WAS WBOUND DIRECT TO RBV VOR. I INFORMED ACR X AND ACR Y OF EACH OTHER. BOTH ACFT HAD THE OTHER IN SIGHT. I ADVISED ACR X THAT ACR Y WOULD PASS BEHIND HIM. ACR Y APPEARED TO ADJUST HIS HDG FOR RBV. BOTH ACFT HAD TCASII. AS ACR Y GOT CLOSER TO ACR X, ACR X STATED TO HAVE AN RA TO DSCNT. ACR Y STATED HE HAD THE SAME SIGNAL. BOTH WERE CLBING OUT OF 13000 FT FOR 17000 FT. LATER, ACR X STATED HE HAD AN RA TO DSND, FOLLOWED BY AN RA TO CLB. ACR Y STATED HE HAD AN RA TO CLB FOLLOWED BY AN RA TO DSND. NEITHER ACFT APPEARED TO FOLLOW THEIR RA'S. I COULD HAVE SAVED MYSELF A LOT OF TROUBLE BY TELLING ACR Y TO MAINTAIN VISUAL WITH ACR X, BUT I BELIEVE THAT TCASII CONTRIBUTED TO THE OPERROR. TCASII STAGE II IS CAUSING A LOT OF PROBS IN THE NEW YORK AREA. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE TCASIII, THAT SHOULD BE FUN!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.