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An large transport crew at night, in 'heavy' rain, requested an ILS approach to a runway that was not the ATIS declared preferred runway. ATC complied with their request. The aircraft had much difficulty slowing and flying the ILS from its close-in start position.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 217709 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199208 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mke |
| State Reference | WI |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 1000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : mke tower : mke |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other landing other |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 2250 flight time type : 120 |
| ASRS Report | 217709 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 217509 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
ILS 19R in use. Captain requests 7R for expediency. This is given to us as we are turned to a downwind. Turning base, controller kept us high and we were fast -- not yet expecting such an early approach. WX was marginal with moderate winds and heavy rains. We were struggling to configure, slow and descend as we were turned to final just outside the OM. We exceeded the required localizer parameters at least 3 times attempting to capture it and went full scale high on GS, remaining high all the way till flare. Note: at breakout (700 ft AGL) we were left and high correcting properly but should have gone around due to GS, localizer deviation as well as exceeding normal sink rates. We touched down in what I believe to be the first 1/3 of runway and hydroplaned along centerline resulting in a runway excursion. 1) we allowed the final controller to give us a high and tight approach with marginal WX -- perhaps he shouldn't have given it. 2) we did not execute a go around when required, still feeling safe in continuing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN LGT CREW AT NIGHT, IN 'HVY' RAIN, REQUESTED AN ILS APCH TO A RWY THAT WAS NOT THE ATIS DECLARED PREFERRED RWY. ATC COMPLIED WITH THEIR REQUEST. THE ACFT HAD MUCH DIFFICULTY SLOWING AND FLYING THE ILS FROM ITS CLOSE-IN START POS.
Narrative: ILS 19R IN USE. CAPT REQUESTS 7R FOR EXPEDIENCY. THIS IS GIVEN TO US AS WE ARE TURNED TO A DOWNWIND. TURNING BASE, CTLR KEPT US HIGH AND WE WERE FAST -- NOT YET EXPECTING SUCH AN EARLY APCH. WX WAS MARGINAL WITH MODERATE WINDS AND HVY RAINS. WE WERE STRUGGLING TO CONFIGURE, SLOW AND DSND AS WE WERE TURNED TO FINAL JUST OUTSIDE THE OM. WE EXCEEDED THE REQUIRED LOC PARAMETERS AT LEAST 3 TIMES ATTEMPTING TO CAPTURE IT AND WENT FULL SCALE HIGH ON GS, REMAINING HIGH ALL THE WAY TILL FLARE. NOTE: AT BREAKOUT (700 FT AGL) WE WERE L AND HIGH CORRECTING PROPERLY BUT SHOULD HAVE GONE AROUND DUE TO GS, LOC DEV AS WELL AS EXCEEDING NORMAL SINK RATES. WE TOUCHED DOWN IN WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE THE FIRST 1/3 OF RWY AND HYDROPLANED ALONG CTRLINE RESULTING IN A RWY EXCURSION. 1) WE ALLOWED THE FINAL CTLR TO GIVE US A HIGH AND TIGHT APCH WITH MARGINAL WX -- PERHAPS HE SHOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN IT. 2) WE DID NOT EXECUTE A GAR WHEN REQUIRED, STILL FEELING SAFE IN CONTINUING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.