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Air carrier reporter on final complains about traffic behind and on right side for parallel runway. TCASII RA.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 217263 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199208 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw tower : dfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 217263 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 200 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Arrival flight sat-dfw. Approach from west and given runway 18R. On downwind we were given 17L and taken across 18L and right finals at 4000 ft. Approaching 17L ATC gave us a change to runway 17R and to begin an immediate right turn to final to which we complied. They called traffic out to us after rolling out which we did not see at 8 O'clock. TCASII at this time did show the aircraft as immediately behind us at 100 ft to 200 ft high. They switched us to tower and tower asked us if we had traffic. We said no. The other aircraft followed us down final and landed on either 17L or 13L. I later called tower who switched me to approach who said it was normal procedure to clear a light aircraft, in this case an light transport to follow the aircraft in front to the landing runway and the only reason they even told us of the traffic was because we had TCASII. TCASII showed the other aircraft inside the small circle and red. We feel the situation was unsafe. We were never advised the other aircraft would be following us and for both aircraft to be at the same place on final for runway 17L was unsafe and the last min runway change for us to 17R makes me think that aircraft spacing and timing was not properly done by ATC forcing them to give us the runway change. I feel this practice of allowing another aircraft to follow another to the airport should be reviewed and proper spacing complied with.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR RPTR ON FINAL COMPLAINS ABOUT TFC BEHIND AND ON R SIDE FOR PARALLEL RWY. TCASII RA.
Narrative: ARR FLT SAT-DFW. APCH FROM W AND GIVEN RWY 18R. ON DOWNWIND WE WERE GIVEN 17L AND TAKEN ACROSS 18L AND R FINALS AT 4000 FT. APCHING 17L ATC GAVE US A CHANGE TO RWY 17R AND TO BEGIN AN IMMEDIATE R TURN TO FINAL TO WHICH WE COMPLIED. THEY CALLED TFC OUT TO US AFTER ROLLING OUT WHICH WE DID NOT SEE AT 8 O'CLOCK. TCASII AT THIS TIME DID SHOW THE ACFT AS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND US AT 100 FT TO 200 FT HIGH. THEY SWITCHED US TO TWR AND TWR ASKED US IF WE HAD TFC. WE SAID NO. THE OTHER ACFT FOLLOWED US DOWN FINAL AND LANDED ON EITHER 17L OR 13L. I LATER CALLED TWR WHO SWITCHED ME TO APCH WHO SAID IT WAS NORMAL PROC TO CLR A LIGHT ACFT, IN THIS CASE AN LTT TO FOLLOW THE ACFT IN FRONT TO THE LNDG RWY AND THE ONLY REASON THEY EVEN TOLD US OF THE TFC WAS BECAUSE WE HAD TCASII. TCASII SHOWED THE OTHER ACFT INSIDE THE SMALL CIRCLE AND RED. WE FEEL THE SITUATION WAS UNSAFE. WE WERE NEVER ADVISED THE OTHER ACFT WOULD BE FOLLOWING US AND FOR BOTH ACFT TO BE AT THE SAME PLACE ON FINAL FOR RWY 17L WAS UNSAFE AND THE LAST MIN RWY CHANGE FOR US TO 17R MAKES ME THINK THAT ACFT SPACING AND TIMING WAS NOT PROPERLY DONE BY ATC FORCING THEM TO GIVE US THE RWY CHANGE. I FEEL THIS PRACTICE OF ALLOWING ANOTHER ACFT TO FOLLOW ANOTHER TO THE ARPT SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND PROPER SPACING COMPLIED WITH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.