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Air carrier large transport files for amended clearance route change from ATC prior to coordination with dispatch. Route is considered overwater and aircraft was not overwater equipped.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 214327 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199207 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : zma |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : j58 enroute other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 19200 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 214327 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 2 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 214326 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight was routed mia overland tlh-cew-aex. To save time I considered J-58 across the gulf. This route was listed as one of those available on our flight plan, leading to assuming the aircraft was overwater equipped. The airplane had been parked at the concourse in mia, where international flts (and international-equipped aircraft) park. Flight operations manual was checked, and it reads: 'all overwater equipped aircraft, widebody transport's and lgts, flown by domestic only qualified crews, are required to remain within 162 NM of the nearest point of land, etc.' we requested and received ATC clearance to fly srq-J58-aex at XY20Z. An ACARS message was sent to dispatch advising of the route change at XY24Z. Dispatcher did not read and acknowledge our message until XY57Z, saying our aircraft was not overwater equipped. By then we were well along on J-58. Better markings on the aircraft instrument panel, logbook, and exterior might give us more warning, since many widebody transport's have been converted to overwater, and many large transport's are overwater equipped. It is too easy to assume the aircraft is equipped with rafts and vests. Supplemental information from acn 214326. We continued flight to destination being unable to turn to coast because of military firing ranges. Uneventful approach and landing was made and phone call to dispatch.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT FILES FOR AMENDED CLRNC RTE CHANGE FROM ATC PRIOR TO COORD WITH DISPATCH. RTE IS CONSIDERED OVERWATER AND ACFT WAS NOT OVERWATER EQUIPPED.
Narrative: FLT WAS ROUTED MIA OVERLAND TLH-CEW-AEX. TO SAVE TIME I CONSIDERED J-58 ACROSS THE GULF. THIS RTE WAS LISTED AS ONE OF THOSE AVAILABLE ON OUR FLT PLAN, LEADING TO ASSUMING THE ACFT WAS OVERWATER EQUIPPED. THE AIRPLANE HAD BEEN PARKED AT THE CONCOURSE IN MIA, WHERE INTL FLTS (AND INTL-EQUIPPED ACFT) PARK. FLT OPS MANUAL WAS CHKED, AND IT READS: 'ALL OVERWATER EQUIPPED ACFT, WDB'S AND LGTS, FLOWN BY DOMESTIC ONLY QUALIFIED CREWS, ARE REQUIRED TO REMAIN WITHIN 162 NM OF THE NEAREST POINT OF LAND, ETC.' WE REQUESTED AND RECEIVED ATC CLRNC TO FLY SRQ-J58-AEX AT XY20Z. AN ACARS MESSAGE WAS SENT TO DISPATCH ADVISING OF THE RTE CHANGE AT XY24Z. DISPATCHER DID NOT READ AND ACKNOWLEDGE OUR MESSAGE UNTIL XY57Z, SAYING OUR ACFT WAS NOT OVERWATER EQUIPPED. BY THEN WE WERE WELL ALONG ON J-58. BETTER MARKINGS ON THE ACFT INST PANEL, LOGBOOK, AND EXTERIOR MIGHT GIVE US MORE WARNING, SINCE MANY WDB'S HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO OVERWATER, AND MANY LGT'S ARE OVERWATER EQUIPPED. IT IS TOO EASY TO ASSUME THE ACFT IS EQUIPPED WITH RAFTS AND VESTS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 214326. WE CONTINUED FLT TO DEST BEING UNABLE TO TURN TO COAST BECAUSE OF MIL FIRING RANGES. UNEVENTFUL APCH AND LNDG WAS MADE AND PHONE CALL TO DISPATCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.