Flight crew of executive jet aircraft penetrated an arsa without a clearance during a VFR descent.

Attributes
ACN	211399
Time
Date	199205
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : vny
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : bur
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent other
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 140
ASRS Report	211399
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

While descending into vny talking to la approach during transition through TCA, la approach worked us through the TCA but did not 'handoff' to burbank approach. We continued descent through the arsa with no clearance. I think that la approach should either let you descend earlier, or hand you off to burbank approach if they see an unusual descent rate is going to be required to avoid entering the arsa. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information. Reporter pilot stated that he was the copilot on this executive jet flight on a VFR flight from san to vny. He further stated that he had suggested to the captain that he should call bur approach for a clearance through the arsa to vny. That was not accomplished, they were asked to call bur approach after landing. He further stated that he advised the captain to also turn in a NASA report, but that the captain did not since this matter was discussed to a satisfactory conclusion over the phone to approach. He stated that he believed that it was much better to go VFR between vny and san since an executive jet could cruise at 17500 ft and go over most all other traffic since even IFR traffic was routed at 8000-11000 ft with most all VFR traffic. However, he realized that there are no automatic handoffs to the next controled airspace.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC OF EXECUTIVE JET ACFT PENETRATED AN ARSA WITHOUT A CLRNC DURING A VFR DSCNT.

Narrative: WHILE DSNDING INTO VNY TALKING TO LA APCH DURING TRANSITION THROUGH TCA, LA APCH WORKED US THROUGH THE TCA BUT DID NOT 'HDOF' TO BURBANK APCH. WE CONTINUED DSCNT THROUGH THE ARSA WITH NO CLRNC. I THINK THAT LA APCH SHOULD EITHER LET YOU DSND EARLIER, OR HAND YOU OFF TO BURBANK APCH IF THEY SEE AN UNUSUAL DSCNT RATE IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO AVOID ENTERING THE ARSA. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO. RPTR PLT STATED THAT HE WAS THE COPLT ON THIS EXECUTIVE JET FLT ON A VFR FLT FROM SAN TO VNY. HE FURTHER STATED THAT HE HAD SUGGESTED TO THE CAPT THAT HE SHOULD CALL BUR APCH FOR A CLRNC THROUGH THE ARSA TO VNY. THAT WAS NOT ACCOMPLISHED, THEY WERE ASKED TO CALL BUR APCH AFTER LNDG. HE FURTHER STATED THAT HE ADVISED THE CAPT TO ALSO TURN IN A NASA RPT, BUT THAT THE CAPT DID NOT SINCE THIS MATTER WAS DISCUSSED TO A SATISFACTORY CONCLUSION OVER THE PHONE TO APCH. HE STATED THAT HE BELIEVED THAT IT WAS MUCH BETTER TO GO VFR BTWN VNY AND SAN SINCE AN EXECUTIVE JET COULD CRUISE AT 17500 FT AND GO OVER MOST ALL OTHER TFC SINCE EVEN IFR TFC WAS ROUTED AT 8000-11000 FT WITH MOST ALL VFR TFC. HOWEVER, HE REALIZED THAT THERE ARE NO AUTOMATIC HDOFS TO THE NEXT CTLED AIRSPACE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.