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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 209669 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199205 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 150 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : jfk |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi landing other |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Heavy Transport, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 3 |
| ASRS Report | 209669 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Navigational Aid | Unspecified |
Narrative:
Air carrier X, a widebody transport, was cleared to land 4R and roll to the end at his discretion. Air carrier Y, a heavy jet, was at 6 mi in-trail on the approach. Air carrier X cleared as air carrier Y was on a 2-2 1/2 mi final. After landing, air carrier Y questioned the separation used on final. I informed him that standard radar separation (4 mi) at a min existed. The pilot complained that the widebody transport X clearing caused such localizer needle aberrations that the autoplt disconnected. In a subsequent phone conversation, the captain of air carrier Y claimed that this occurred at 150 ft, at which time the previous arrival was quite some distance from the runway. The airport facility directory contains a statement that localizer needle aberrations occurs in vicinity of 4R/22L. I think this information should be included on the approach plates.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HVY JET PLT COMPLAINS ABOUT LOC DEFLECTION FROM PREVIOUS ARR WHILE ON SHORT FINAL.
Narrative: ACR X, A WDB, WAS CLRED TO LAND 4R AND ROLL TO THE END AT HIS DISCRETION. ACR Y, A HVY JET, WAS AT 6 MI IN-TRAIL ON THE APCH. ACR X CLRED AS ACR Y WAS ON A 2-2 1/2 MI FINAL. AFTER LNDG, ACR Y QUESTIONED THE SEPARATION USED ON FINAL. I INFORMED HIM THAT STANDARD RADAR SEPARATION (4 MI) AT A MIN EXISTED. THE PLT COMPLAINED THAT THE WDB X CLRING CAUSED SUCH LOC NEEDLE ABERRATIONS THAT THE AUTOPLT DISCONNECTED. IN A SUBSEQUENT PHONE CONVERSATION, THE CAPT OF ACR Y CLAIMED THAT THIS OCCURRED AT 150 FT, AT WHICH TIME THE PREVIOUS ARR WAS QUITE SOME DISTANCE FROM THE RWY. THE ARPT FAC DIRECTORY CONTAINS A STATEMENT THAT LOC NEEDLE ABERRATIONS OCCURS IN VICINITY OF 4R/22L. I THINK THIS INFO SHOULD BE INCLUDED ON THE APCH PLATES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.