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Ground controller diatribe not well received by crew of air carrier medium large transport when they start to push back after a 2 min delay at gate.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 209484 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199205 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 209484 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
In preparation for a scheduled departure at lax we called for pushback from gate. We were given clearance to push. When we requested clearance to push we were ready. After the clearance was received some late bags arrived, delaying our push for about 2 mins. After the bags were secure we began our pushback. Ground control then jumped us and said we were not cleared to push. He gave us a little ground school over the radio and said, 'we needed to push exactly when clearance was given, etc.' he sounded very young. We let it slide without further conflict. We apologized and asked if he would like for us to pull back into the gate. He said no, to continue the push. I don't appreciate receiving ground school over the radio, particularly by the FAA. Flying is an art, not a science. Common sense is in short supply at the FAA.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GND CTLR DIATRIBE NOT WELL RECEIVED BY CREW OF ACR MLG WHEN THEY START TO PUSH BACK AFTER A 2 MIN DELAY AT GATE.
Narrative: IN PREPARATION FOR A SCHEDULED DEP AT LAX WE CALLED FOR PUSHBACK FROM GATE. WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC TO PUSH. WHEN WE REQUESTED CLRNC TO PUSH WE WERE READY. AFTER THE CLRNC WAS RECEIVED SOME LATE BAGS ARRIVED, DELAYING OUR PUSH FOR ABOUT 2 MINS. AFTER THE BAGS WERE SECURE WE BEGAN OUR PUSHBACK. GND CTL THEN JUMPED US AND SAID WE WERE NOT CLRED TO PUSH. HE GAVE US A LITTLE GND SCHOOL OVER THE RADIO AND SAID, 'WE NEEDED TO PUSH EXACTLY WHEN CLRNC WAS GIVEN, ETC.' HE SOUNDED VERY YOUNG. WE LET IT SLIDE WITHOUT FURTHER CONFLICT. WE APOLOGIZED AND ASKED IF HE WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PULL BACK INTO THE GATE. HE SAID NO, TO CONTINUE THE PUSH. I DON'T APPRECIATE RECEIVING GND SCHOOL OVER THE RADIO, PARTICULARLY BY THE FAA. FLYING IS AN ART, NOT A SCIENCE. COMMON SENSE IS IN SHORT SUPPLY AT THE FAA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.