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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 205609 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199203 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bet |
| State Reference | AK |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bet |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 78 flight time total : 1250 |
| ASRS Report | 205609 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ATIS prior to taxi was '...8 overcast, 10 mi visibility.' I requested and received a SVFR clearance. During taxi the ground controller updated the WX calling it 3 broken, 5 overcast, 10 mi visibility. Still being above SVFR mins, and part 135 mins and our company operating specifications I elected to go and was cleared for takeoff. After takeoff I climbed to 500-600 ft, leveled off for approximately 1 min, then proceeded up to 1200 ft. At no time was I in less than VFR or SVFR conditions under part 91, 135, or our operations specifications. Evidently, the field went to a 3 broken ceiling shortly after I left. The FAA is arguing that it was before I left. I did not receive this WX update and knew nothing about it until company called approximately 15 mins after departure and asked what WX I had when I departed. To the best of my knowledge, I never broke VFR mins during the entire flight. The cause of the confusion was rapidly changing WX conditions and isolated pockets of low WX. The WX reports I received didn't come as fast as the FAA says they did. I guess the moral of the story is, if it's close to mins, even if it's not 'less than' mins, you better not elect to go' -- especially if the FAA is anywhere close.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CHARTER FLT DEPARTS SVFR UNDER RAPIDLY CHANGING WX SITUATION. FAA SAYS NOT LEGAL.
Narrative: ATIS PRIOR TO TAXI WAS '...8 OVCST, 10 MI VISIBILITY.' I REQUESTED AND RECEIVED A SVFR CLRNC. DURING TAXI THE GND CTLR UPDATED THE WX CALLING IT 3 BROKEN, 5 OVCST, 10 MI VISIBILITY. STILL BEING ABOVE SVFR MINS, AND PART 135 MINS AND OUR COMPANY OPERATING SPECS I ELECTED TO GO AND WAS CLRED FOR TKOF. AFTER TKOF I CLBED TO 500-600 FT, LEVELED OFF FOR APPROX 1 MIN, THEN PROCEEDED UP TO 1200 FT. AT NO TIME WAS I IN LESS THAN VFR OR SVFR CONDITIONS UNDER PART 91, 135, OR OUR OPS SPECS. EVIDENTLY, THE FIELD WENT TO A 3 BROKEN CEILING SHORTLY AFTER I LEFT. THE FAA IS ARGUING THAT IT WAS BEFORE I LEFT. I DID NOT RECEIVE THIS WX UPDATE AND KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL COMPANY CALLED APPROX 15 MINS AFTER DEP AND ASKED WHAT WX I HAD WHEN I DEPARTED. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, I NEVER BROKE VFR MINS DURING THE ENTIRE FLT. THE CAUSE OF THE CONFUSION WAS RAPIDLY CHANGING WX CONDITIONS AND ISOLATED POCKETS OF LOW WX. THE WX RPTS I RECEIVED DIDN'T COME AS FAST AS THE FAA SAYS THEY DID. I GUESS THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS, IF IT'S CLOSE TO MINS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT 'LESS THAN' MINS, YOU BETTER NOT ELECT TO GO' -- ESPECIALLY IF THE FAA IS ANYWHERE CLOSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.