MSAW received by cpr flight crew from alert ARTCC radar controller during IAP VOR DME approach.

Attributes
ACN	202156
Time
Date	199203
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : bke
State Reference	OR
Altitude	msl bound lower : 9600 msl bound upper : 13000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : slc
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	202156
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

We were descending into bke. Told to cross bke VOR at 13000 cleared for the approach. The captain elected to teardrop the outbound leg of the approach rather than the procedure turn. The captain began his teardrop procedure after passing the VOR. The chart says that all course reversals shall be done after/reference the bke 4.0 DME. We began the procedure and as we were about to turn inbound salt lake ARTCC advised us we were too low for our location on the approach. I believe that salt lake got a terrain warning. They were concerned about our altitude. We had descended from 13000 ft to 6900 ft too early and were not within the protected airspace I believe. After their first call we then broke out, saw the airport and cancelled our radar coverage. I feel that the mistake was due to my captain's and my own beliefs that we were going to break in to VFR conditions sooner. Captain did not brief the approach, so we kind of winged it as we were doing it. A very poor command decision. It goes to show that it pays to follow company procedures when the WX does not provide for a VFR arrival.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MSAW RECEIVED BY CPR FLC FROM ALERT ARTCC RADAR CTLR DURING IAP VOR DME APCH.

Narrative: WE WERE DSNDING INTO BKE. TOLD TO CROSS BKE VOR AT 13000 CLRED FOR THE APCH. THE CAPT ELECTED TO TEARDROP THE OUTBOUND LEG OF THE APCH RATHER THAN THE PROC TURN. THE CAPT BEGAN HIS TEARDROP PROC AFTER PASSING THE VOR. THE CHART SAYS THAT ALL COURSE REVERSALS SHALL BE DONE AFTER/REF THE BKE 4.0 DME. WE BEGAN THE PROC AND AS WE WERE ABOUT TO TURN INBOUND SALT LAKE ARTCC ADVISED US WE WERE TOO LOW FOR OUR LOCATION ON THE APCH. I BELIEVE THAT SALT LAKE GOT A TERRAIN WARNING. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ALT. WE HAD DSNDED FROM 13000 FT TO 6900 FT TOO EARLY AND WERE NOT WITHIN THE PROTECTED AIRSPACE I BELIEVE. AFTER THEIR FIRST CALL WE THEN BROKE OUT, SAW THE ARPT AND CANCELLED OUR RADAR COVERAGE. I FEEL THAT THE MISTAKE WAS DUE TO MY CAPT'S AND MY OWN BELIEFS THAT WE WERE GOING TO BREAK IN TO VFR CONDITIONS SOONER. CAPT DID NOT BRIEF THE APCH, SO WE KIND OF WINGED IT AS WE WERE DOING IT. A VERY POOR COMMAND DECISION. IT GOES TO SHOW THAT IT PAYS TO FOLLOW COMPANY PROCS WHEN THE WX DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR A VFR ARR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.