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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 201747 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199202 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ptw |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 8500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : phl tower : dfw |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 2 Eng, Retractable Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 2900 flight time type : 300 |
| ASRS Report | 201747 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Departed ptw aircraft VFR to pickup IFR clearance in air. Philadelphia departure refused to look for clearance because of work load. Yelled that I should have picked clearance up on the ground. So I looked on my chart and no philadelphia clearance was available. It was not listed. So eventually I was going to pick it up en route but still had no frequency to pick it up. I received the clearance from this guy. Called clearance and he gave me a clearance off the airport to maintain 3000, 8000 (10) after etc... My problem is when I called center I was at 8500 going VFR which hadn't met the 3000 ft altitude clearance. This may be a problem because I was not at my clearance altitude. Initially I should have called center and said that I was VFR and I cannot accept the clearance given and worked with center on an appropriate clearance and altitude. I should have told him I was in a VFR climb and I would work with him.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA GA PLT RPTS ON DIFFICULTY IN OBTAINING AN IFR CLRNC WHILE ON VFR FLT PLAN.
Narrative: DEPARTED PTW ACFT VFR TO PICKUP IFR CLRNC IN AIR. PHILADELPHIA DEP REFUSED TO LOOK FOR CLRNC BECAUSE OF WORK LOAD. YELLED THAT I SHOULD HAVE PICKED CLRNC UP ON THE GND. SO I LOOKED ON MY CHART AND NO PHILADELPHIA CLRNC WAS AVAILABLE. IT WAS NOT LISTED. SO EVENTUALLY I WAS GOING TO PICK IT UP ENRTE BUT STILL HAD NO FREQ TO PICK IT UP. I RECEIVED THE CLRNC FROM THIS GUY. CALLED CLRNC AND HE GAVE ME A CLRNC OFF THE ARPT TO MAINTAIN 3000, 8000 (10) AFTER ETC... MY PROBLEM IS WHEN I CALLED CTR I WAS AT 8500 GOING VFR WHICH HADN'T MET THE 3000 FT ALT CLRNC. THIS MAY BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE I WAS NOT AT MY CLRNC ALT. INITIALLY I SHOULD HAVE CALLED CTR AND SAID THAT I WAS VFR AND I CANNOT ACCEPT THE CLRNC GIVEN AND WORKED WITH CTR ON AN APPROPRIATE CLRNC AND ALT. I SHOULD HAVE TOLD HIM I WAS IN A VFR CLB AND I WOULD WORK WITH HIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.