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STAR for grand canyon allegedly has 180 KTS restriction on airspeed. Reporter alleges not applicable to her flight on IFR plan at 14000.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 200044 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199201 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : las |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 10500 msl bound upper : 14000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tracon : cmh |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 2100 |
| ASRS Report | 200044 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The sfar over the grand canyon limits airspeed to 180 KTS. I was on an IFR clearance at 14000 ft from the grand canyon to las vegas, mccarran airport. While on the IFR clearance, I requested VFR on top at 12500 and 10500. My question is: am I restr to 180 KTS while on an IFR flight plan in the STAR? Am I restr to 180 KTS while 'VFR on top?' I called the local FSDO (las vegas) and they said that I'm not speed restr. Yet, my company says that I am. Can you please answer this for me? No one seems to know.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: STAR FOR GRAND CANYON ALLEGEDLY HAS 180 KTS RESTRICTION ON AIRSPD. RPTR ALLEGES NOT APPLICABLE TO HER FLT ON IFR PLAN AT 14000.
Narrative: THE SFAR OVER THE GRAND CANYON LIMITS AIRSPD TO 180 KTS. I WAS ON AN IFR CLRNC AT 14000 FT FROM THE GRAND CANYON TO LAS VEGAS, MCCARRAN ARPT. WHILE ON THE IFR CLRNC, I REQUESTED VFR ON TOP AT 12500 AND 10500. MY QUESTION IS: AM I RESTR TO 180 KTS WHILE ON AN IFR FLT PLAN IN THE STAR? AM I RESTR TO 180 KTS WHILE 'VFR ON TOP?' I CALLED THE LCL FSDO (LAS VEGAS) AND THEY SAID THAT I'M NOT SPD RESTR. YET, MY COMPANY SAYS THAT I AM. CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER THIS FOR ME? NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.