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Flight crew of charter thought they had been cleared from FL430 to FL410 by ZNY on HF. ZMA controller expected them to be at FL430.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 195055 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199111 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ilm |
| State Reference | NC |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 41000 msl bound upper : 43000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma artcc : zny |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : ar3 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 22000 flight time type : 100 |
| ASRS Report | 195055 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Apparent misunderstanding of flight level clearance from FL430 to FL410 south smelt intersection. On our next report (a change of controller from ny to mia) we reported FL410. New york selcaled and questioned this. We were using HF with new york. VFR with mia. Our flight plan called for 410. We understood we should be there. It was a misunderstanding with us and ny center.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF CHARTER THOUGHT THEY HAD BEEN CLRED FROM FL430 TO FL410 BY ZNY ON HF. ZMA CTLR EXPECTED THEM TO BE AT FL430.
Narrative: APPARENT MISUNDERSTANDING OF FLT LEVEL CLRNC FROM FL430 TO FL410 S SMELT INTXN. ON OUR NEXT RPT (A CHANGE OF CTLR FROM NY TO MIA) WE RPTED FL410. NEW YORK SELCALED AND QUESTIONED THIS. WE WERE USING HF WITH NEW YORK. VFR WITH MIA. OUR FLT PLAN CALLED FOR 410. WE UNDERSTOOD WE SHOULD BE THERE. IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING WITH US AND NY CENTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.