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|Local Time Of Day||1801 To 2400|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : ffu|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 10500|
msl bound upper : 16000
|Controlling Facilities||artcc : zlc|
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Function||observation : observer|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : commercial
pilot : instrument
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 90|
flight time total : 1200
flight time type : 20
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : private|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 28|
flight time total : 400
flight time type : 165
|Anomaly||inflight encounter : vfr in imc|
non adherence : far
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||controller : issued new clearance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
I was flying in a friend's small transport as a passenger at the time. We were flying home to ogden, ut, from a trip in bullhead city, az. We were flying at 10500 ft VFR over the top, it was night at the time we came to fairfield when we flew into the clouds, we started to pick up ice. The owner and pilot of the airplane is not an IFR rated pilot, I told him to do a 180, but he said we could get on top. I told him there is no way we are going to be able to get on top, but he elected to climb. At 16000 ft, he decided we couldn't get on top. I was on the radios immediately and told slc center we were in the clouds without a clearance and no IFR charts. We received vector to slc. I am a full time cfii, meii and I started giving instruction to my friend and helped him fly us out of this problem we were in. I was flying with friends and I should have taken the airplane from him, but I wanted to get around a fight for control of the aircraft at the time we entered IFR. It was a problem that I should have been more aggressive at the time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NON RATED INSTR PLT ATTEMPTS TO REMAIN ON TOP CLOUDS, NIGHT ENTERS IMC.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING IN A FRIEND'S SMT AS A PAX AT THE TIME. WE WERE FLYING HOME TO OGDEN, UT, FROM A TRIP IN BULLHEAD CITY, AZ. WE WERE FLYING AT 10500 FT VFR OVER THE TOP, IT WAS NIGHT AT THE TIME WE CAME TO FAIRFIELD WHEN WE FLEW INTO THE CLOUDS, WE STARTED TO PICK UP ICE. THE OWNER AND PLT OF THE AIRPLANE IS NOT AN IFR RATED PLT, I TOLD HIM TO DO A 180, BUT HE SAID WE COULD GET ON TOP. I TOLD HIM THERE IS NO WAY WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ON TOP, BUT HE ELECTED TO CLB. AT 16000 FT, HE DECIDED WE COULDN'T GET ON TOP. I WAS ON THE RADIOS IMMEDIATELY AND TOLD SLC CENTER WE WERE IN THE CLOUDS WITHOUT A CLRNC AND NO IFR CHARTS. WE RECEIVED VECTOR TO SLC. I AM A FULL TIME CFII, MEII AND I STARTED GIVING INSTRUCTION TO MY FRIEND AND HELPED HIM FLY US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM WE WERE IN. I WAS FLYING WITH FRIENDS AND I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE AIRPLANE FROM HIM, BUT I WANTED TO GET AROUND A FIGHT FOR CTL OF THE ACFT AT THE TIME WE ENTERED IFR. IT WAS A PROBLEM THAT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE AGGRESSIVE AT THE TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.