Reporter cites inability to obtain updated or revised airport WX mins for approach land from FSS dur...

Attributes
ACN	190326
Time
Date	199109
Day	Mon
Place
Locale Reference	airport : fnl
State Reference	CO
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time total : 4900
ASRS Report	190326
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	other personnel other
Qualification	other
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Chart Or Publication
Air Traffic Incident	other
Situations
Airport	other physical facility

Narrative:

Almost 2 yrs ago, a company built a distribution center near fnl airport. Included, a 149 ft water tower. For a long time, there was a NOTAM to raise non precision approach minima by 80 ft. Chart maker has reflected this on their plates for some time. 'Nos' not changed. The NOTAM is so stale you cannot get it even when specifically asking on an FSS briefing. For the runway 33 NDB and VOR-DME 4, the thing uses most of the altitude margin. You could do everything right and hit this tower. This gives me low confidence in nos charts. How many other locations are like this? Would I have any better luck getting NOTAMS for them? I dare anyone to pry the fnl plus 80 ft NOTAM from FSS. The chart should be fixed. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: analyst discussed charting with FAA okc fifo specialist. There are 8 current fdc NOTAMS out that change the mins. Amendments are in the process at this time and should be published at the next charting date, which is in jan/92. Rdc NOTAMS were issued when the problem surfaced. The problem appears to be that fdc NOTAMS are usually not issued by FSS unless specifically asked for.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: RPTR CITES INABILITY TO OBTAIN UPDATED OR REVISED ARPT WX MINS FOR APCH LAND FROM FSS DURING FSS BRIEFING.

Narrative: ALMOST 2 YRS AGO, A COMPANY BUILT A DISTRIBUTION CENTER NEAR FNL ARPT. INCLUDED, A 149 FT WATER TWR. FOR A LONG TIME, THERE WAS A NOTAM TO RAISE NON PRECISION APCH MINIMA BY 80 FT. CHART MAKER HAS REFLECTED THIS ON THEIR PLATES FOR SOME TIME. 'NOS' NOT CHANGED. THE NOTAM IS SO STALE YOU CANNOT GET IT EVEN WHEN SPECIFICALLY ASKING ON AN FSS BRIEFING. FOR THE RWY 33 NDB AND VOR-DME 4, THE THING USES MOST OF THE ALT MARGIN. YOU COULD DO EVERYTHING RIGHT AND HIT THIS TWR. THIS GIVES ME LOW CONFIDENCE IN NOS CHARTS. HOW MANY OTHER LOCATIONS ARE LIKE THIS? WOULD I HAVE ANY BETTER LUCK GETTING NOTAMS FOR THEM? I DARE ANYONE TO PRY THE FNL PLUS 80 FT NOTAM FROM FSS. THE CHART SHOULD BE FIXED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: ANALYST DISCUSSED CHARTING WITH FAA OKC FIFO SPECIALIST. THERE ARE 8 CURRENT FDC NOTAMS OUT THAT CHANGE THE MINS. AMENDMENTS ARE IN THE PROCESS AT THIS TIME AND SHOULD BE PUBLISHED AT THE NEXT CHARTING DATE, WHICH IS IN JAN/92. RDC NOTAMS WERE ISSUED WHEN THE PROBLEM SURFACED. THE PROBLEM APPEARS TO BE THAT FDC NOTAMS ARE USUALLY NOT ISSUED BY FSS UNLESS SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Reporter cites inability to obtain updated or revised airport WX mins for approach land from FSS during FSS briefing.