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Flight crew of large transport had fire warning #3 engine approaching bos. #3 engine shutdown, normal landing.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 190038 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199109 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bos |
| State Reference | MA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : bos |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 2400 |
| ASRS Report | 190038 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 189924 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Aircraft |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was captain on the flight from lga-bos. So and I had flown aircraft on previous night and had numerous fire warnings on #3 engine while at the gate with engines shutdown. Fire warning was repaired overnight. During flight at FL210, #3 fire warning came on. First officer silenced bell, and warning went out before any other action was taken. On approach at 5000 ft while slowing to 210 KTS, #3 fire warning came on again and stayed on. I told first officer that I would fly the aircraft and he and so should fight fire and shutdown the engine. My reasoning was given close proximity to airport and 2 engine landing, I should continue to fly the aircraft. First officer silenced the bell, but bell went off several more times during shutdown. First officer brought throttle to idle, start lever to cut off, then bell sounded again. I saw him push bottle discharge switch and said we must pull the fire shutdown handle. First officer then pulled the handle and discharged the agent. Fire warning went out. Checklists were completed. Approach and landing were normal. I should have ensured engine shutdown was done properly by telling my crew to perform each step slowly and to xchk with each other at each step. The fire bell also contributed greatly to communication problem during the shutdown. Also should have briefed for fire warning and shutdown after it went off at FL210.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF LGT HAD FIRE WARNING #3 ENG APCHING BOS. #3 ENG SHUTDOWN, NORMAL LNDG.
Narrative: I WAS CAPT ON THE FLT FROM LGA-BOS. SO AND I HAD FLOWN ACFT ON PREVIOUS NIGHT AND HAD NUMEROUS FIRE WARNINGS ON #3 ENG WHILE AT THE GATE WITH ENGS SHUTDOWN. FIRE WARNING WAS REPAIRED OVERNIGHT. DURING FLT AT FL210, #3 FIRE WARNING CAME ON. FO SILENCED BELL, AND WARNING WENT OUT BEFORE ANY OTHER ACTION WAS TAKEN. ON APCH AT 5000 FT WHILE SLOWING TO 210 KTS, #3 FIRE WARNING CAME ON AGAIN AND STAYED ON. I TOLD FO THAT I WOULD FLY THE ACFT AND HE AND SO SHOULD FIGHT FIRE AND SHUTDOWN THE ENG. MY REASONING WAS GIVEN CLOSE PROX TO ARPT AND 2 ENG LNDG, I SHOULD CONTINUE TO FLY THE ACFT. FO SILENCED THE BELL, BUT BELL WENT OFF SEVERAL MORE TIMES DURING SHUTDOWN. FO BROUGHT THROTTLE TO IDLE, START LEVER TO CUT OFF, THEN BELL SOUNDED AGAIN. I SAW HIM PUSH BOTTLE DISCHARGE SWITCH AND SAID WE MUST PULL THE FIRE SHUTDOWN HANDLE. FO THEN PULLED THE HANDLE AND DISCHARGED THE AGENT. FIRE WARNING WENT OUT. CHKLISTS WERE COMPLETED. APCH AND LNDG WERE NORMAL. I SHOULD HAVE ENSURED ENG SHUTDOWN WAS DONE PROPERLY BY TELLING MY CREW TO PERFORM EACH STEP SLOWLY AND TO XCHK WITH EACH OTHER AT EACH STEP. THE FIRE BELL ALSO CONTRIBUTED GREATLY TO COM PROBLEM DURING THE SHUTDOWN. ALSO SHOULD HAVE BRIEFED FOR FIRE WARNING AND SHUTDOWN AFTER IT WENT OFF AT FL210.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.