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In traffic pattern at non tower airport, has conflict with mlt in traffic pattern for nearby AFB.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 178738 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199105 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : 3km |
| State Reference | KS |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2400 msl bound upper : 2400 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Military Transport |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 1400 flight time type : 60 |
| ASRS Report | 178738 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : military |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified cockpit |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 600 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While flying downwind in the traffic pattern at 3KM, our aircraft and an mlt got a little close to each other as he was flying into mcconnell AFB. We were flying at the 1000' AGL traffic pattern in accordance with the aim at 24000' MSL. Turns out tpa for 3KM is 700' AGL--at least it says so in commercial flight guide. But it also says the military traffic is at 3000' MSL, too. Is a non standard tpa (suggested 700' AGL at 3KL) regulatory or mandatory? If so, this information should be more explicitly outlined in the far/aim and posted on the commercial chart airport diagram. Meantime, I'll check the flight guide more often for my airport of intended landing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IN TRAFFIC PATTERN AT NON TWR ARPT, HAS CONFLICT WITH MLT IN TRAFFIC PATTERN FOR NEARBY AFB.
Narrative: WHILE FLYING DOWNWIND IN THE TFC PATTERN AT 3KM, OUR ACFT AND AN MLT GOT A LITTLE CLOSE TO EACH OTHER AS HE WAS FLYING INTO MCCONNELL AFB. WE WERE FLYING AT THE 1000' AGL TFC PATTERN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AIM AT 24000' MSL. TURNS OUT TPA FOR 3KM IS 700' AGL--AT LEAST IT SAYS SO IN COMMERCIAL FLT GUIDE. BUT IT ALSO SAYS THE MIL TFC IS AT 3000' MSL, TOO. IS A NON STANDARD TPA (SUGGESTED 700' AGL AT 3KL) REGULATORY OR MANDATORY? IF SO, THIS INFO SHOULD BE MORE EXPLICITLY OUTLINED IN THE FAR/AIM AND POSTED ON THE COMMERCIAL CHART ARPT DIAGRAM. MEANTIME, I'LL CHK THE FLT GUIDE MORE OFTEN FOR MY ARPT OF INTENDED LNDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.