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Flight crew of 2-MAN widebody transport aircraft cleared into position following a 4 engine widebody transport taking off requested 2 minute hold in position for turbulence subsidence. Tower directed them to cross runway hold on other side.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 178592 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199105 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 178592 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Our widebody transport aircraft was directed onto runway 24L lax to follow a larger widebody transport. As we went into position, we requested 2 min wake turbulence delay. Tower (very testily) told us to taxi clear and hold on other side of runway. In doing this, I found there really wasn't enough room to turn around between 24L and 24R. While I was trying to get the aircraft turned around. The tower and the first officer (a former radar controller) were arguing. After I got turned around facing south, I told first officer not to say anything else. My main concern was keeping the widebody transport on taxiway and not striking taxiway lights. Incidentally, tower used a lot more time in this than a 2 min hold in position would have entailed. Just because a tower says, 'caution, wake turbulence,' does not mean turbulence goes away.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF 2-MAN WDB ACFT CLEARED INTO POSITION FOLLOWING A 4 ENGINE WDB TAKING OFF REQUESTED 2 MINUTE HOLD IN POSITION FOR TURBULENCE SUBSIDENCE. TWR DIRECTED THEM TO CROSS RWY HOLD ON OTHER SIDE.
Narrative: OUR WDB ACFT WAS DIRECTED ONTO RWY 24L LAX TO FOLLOW A LARGER WDB. AS WE WENT INTO POS, WE REQUESTED 2 MIN WAKE TURB DELAY. TWR (VERY TESTILY) TOLD US TO TAXI CLR AND HOLD ON OTHER SIDE OF RWY. IN DOING THIS, I FOUND THERE REALLY WASN'T ENOUGH ROOM TO TURN AROUND BTWN 24L AND 24R. WHILE I WAS TRYING TO GET THE ACFT TURNED AROUND. THE TWR AND THE F/O (A FORMER RADAR CTLR) WERE ARGUING. AFTER I GOT TURNED AROUND FACING S, I TOLD F/O NOT TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE. MY MAIN CONCERN WAS KEEPING THE WDB ON TXWY AND NOT STRIKING TXWY LIGHTS. INCIDENTALLY, TWR USED A LOT MORE TIME IN THIS THAN A 2 MIN HOLD IN POS WOULD HAVE ENTAILED. JUST BECAUSE A TWR SAYS, 'CAUTION, WAKE TURB,' DOES NOT MEAN TURB GOES AWAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.